RE: Jag releases armoured car

RE: Jag releases armoured car

Thursday 24th November 2005

Jag releases armoured car

New bullet-proof XJ can protect you from...?


Jaguar Armoured XJ Long Wheelbase
Jaguar Armoured XJ Long Wheelbase
Got enemies -- and we mean serious enemies? Jaguar's got the answer in the Armoured XJ Long Wheelbase -- its first ever armoured passenger vehicle. The company reckoned the new car "has capabilities far and beyond the needs of day to day transportation with added security, without compromising the ability of the car".

Costing from £199,000 and designed in concert with armoured vehicle specialist Centigon, it offers protection from firearms and blast attack, robbery, kidnap and car jacking. Jag predicted that it "will become the car of choice for heads of state, high profile business people, diplomats and celebrities throughout the world."

You're unlikely to notice the difference from the outside, and Jag won't unveil many specifics for security reasons but modifications include:

  • Laminated glazing -- bullet resistant borosilicate glazing is designed to withstand a comprehensive range of hand guns and assault rifles.
  • Underbody protection
  • Armour -- the armoured body shell is reinforced with ballistic resistant steel and underfloor protection is provided by high-tech Kevlar fibre material. It's designed to prevent penetration of the passenger cell by shrapnel or blast fragments.
  • Run flat tyres -- these allow the car to travel safely up to 30 miles at speeds of 50 mph when punctured or deflated.
  • Other security features include a tamper-proof exhaust, intercom system, self sealing fuel tank, cabin with its own oxygen supply and a titanium armoured roof.

Chassis and dynamics

The chassis has been adapted to compensate for the additional weight and a potentially more aggressive driving style with reinforced springs and dampers -- though you lose the air suspension in favour of standard steel springs as a result. The car gets strengthened and tuned Bilstein B46 dampers and bespoke Eibach springs manufactured from ultra strength silicon alloy -- a combination tuned to optimise the balance between ride, comfort and body control, according to Jaguar.

A retuned variable assisted steering system with an increased pressure flow power steering pump realigns the increased mass of the armoured vehicle to the steering effort inputs of the driver. The car is also fitted with opposed six-pot Alcon mono-block brake callipers to the front of the vehicle and four-pot callipers to the rear, along with performance friction material brake pads and larger ventilated discs for improved braking performance.

Accreditation

The vehicle has undergone extensive ballistic and blast testing by the independent test agency QinetiQ -- which used to be the MOD's research agency -- and has been accredited to European standard EN 1063 levels BR5 & BR6.

Jaguar's new global aftersales support programme includes support in remote territories, including four scheduled visits per year by a Jaguar technician. Owners of the armoured XJ are offered tailored armoured driver training programmes, helping them to understand the differences in vehicle handling characteristics that such a high level of protection brings with it.

And you can always get Jaguar to add protection to your specification, as long as your credit limit will stretch to it. So when you call the car bullet-proof, you'll mean it...

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NickFRP

Original Poster:

5,117 posts

242 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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the new james bond car?

dvs_dave

9,022 posts

232 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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Waste of time getting an armoured car that isn't 4 wheel drive. When in an ambush situation for example, often the best way of escape involves a bit of off road driving. I'd like to see this heavy weight try and negotiate a soft verge whilst accelerating hard around an obstruction in the road.

Mercedes 4-matic equipped armoured cars make much more sense and will do a far better job of getting you out of the sh1t.

r988

7,495 posts

236 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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Or get that riot van thing that was on Topgear, the one with electrified skin and a water cannon, toilet etc, that's what you want, defensive AND offensive

kingb

1,153 posts

233 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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its good but not the best. theres a company that changes the new range rover and this would make a muck better option since it can god off road and has a bit more presence and deffinatly more ramming ability. but if they say they are making it for political leaders or other "important" people they will prob have a convoy of guards anyway so escape wont be too tough.

eein

1,383 posts

272 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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While its probably not the best, I reckon it will sell well. Many customers are not bothered about the fullness of the protection, but jsut to know it will keep them safe in a moderate attack or if they get caught up in something. Also, many people will not want a big fat 4x4. I can see the Jag doing well in the middle east where the armoured merc and bmw saloons do well, but some will pay for something a bit more 'exclusive' and 'british'.

D-Angle

4,468 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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I had a recurring dream once that midgets were going to shoot me, so I ordered an armoured car.

Then I remembered they were midgets, so I ordered a convertible...

YarisSi

1,538 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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Apparently to ram a road block you roll slowly up to the weak point and then when in contact accelerate. That way you don't feck your own car. Its on the 4car website one of the bmw features.

Xander

7 posts

234 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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YarisSi said:
Apparently to ram a road block you roll slowly up to the weak point and then when in contact accelerate. That way you don't feck your own car. Its on the 4car website one of the bmw features.


just don't try that in a Yaris

j44esd

1,236 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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xander said:
YarisSi said:
YarisSi said:Apparently to ram a road block you roll slowly up to the weak point and then when in contact accelerate. That way you don't feck your own car. Its on the 4car website one of the bmw features.




just don't try that in a Yaris


...what, accelerating... :-)

>> Edited by j44esd on Thursday 24th November 14:28

YarisSi

1,538 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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I'll take you all on! ;-)

jas16

378 posts

239 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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run flat tyres...imagine u've just been ambushed and u've somehow managed to get out in the car, but your tyres are not in good shape. now ur being chased and im guessing that the people chasing you will have cars that do go faster than 50mph!
anyway, about 30 miles later your tyres give up and you still get caught...£200k later, your still caught...i don't see the point
honestly, money could so easily be better spent!!

nightmare

5,229 posts

291 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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wonder what the effect of being in a crash in one of these would be on you and whatever you hit.....

Gentelman

183 posts

251 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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jas16 said:
run flat tyres...imagine u've just been ambushed and u've somehow managed to get out in the car, but your tyres are not in good shape. now ur being chased and im guessing that the people chasing you will have cars that do go faster than 50mph!
anyway, about 30 miles later your tyres give up and you still get caught...£200k later, your still caught...i don't see the point
honestly, money could so easily be better spent!!


I suspect that they've researched the majority of kidnapping (which is what these really sell for, especially in South America) or assasination attempts happen in built up urban areas where ambushes are easy. In that case, speed isn't really an issue as long as the car can move at all and 30 miles is long enough to get to some secure point like an embassy or something or until backup can come in.

I've heard the armored Rolls Phantom had the highest rated protection in the world. Is that still true?

dvs_dave

9,022 posts

232 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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Pres. Bush's armoured Cadillac is the toughest armoured car in the world with protection levels not far off the M1 Abrams Tank!!!

see here for some basic info on the car. Most of the specs are secret.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3278341.stm

wizzpig

2,039 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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dvs_dave said:
Pres. Bush's armoured Cadillac is the toughest armoured car in the world with protection levels not far off the M1 Abrams Tank!!!

see here for some basic info on the car. Most of the specs are secret.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3278341.stm


Pop a request form in to Pipy, see if he'll get you guys in Falcon one!




That's unless you've finished it by now!?

XM5ER

5,094 posts

255 months

Thursday 24th November 2005
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Its the Brucie Babe special edition.

diluculophile

130 posts

258 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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You can get a Land Rover Defender with B6 bulletproofing that'll apparently stop a 7.62 Ball from 10 metres, and will withstand hand grenade detonations underneath. I think that'd be my choice, though I bet you have to pay for it. For some reason, they don't have a price tag on show... I like some of the ideas on the jag though -self sealing fuel tank and the cabin O2 supply.

GavinPearson

5,715 posts

258 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Perhaps the folks at Jag are forgetting that they themselves made armoured cars in Browns Lane in the 80s.

The spec was very similar to what is described above - glass an inch thick, armour plating, titanium springs, run flat tyres.

stenniso

350 posts

238 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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At least Cherie Blair will have something nicer looking to take her shopping home in than the current armoured Vauxhall.

I had been worrying that her current tax payer funded armoured vehicle would be cramping her style.

NDT

1,766 posts

270 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Gentelman said:
jas16 said:
run flat tyres...imagine u've just been ambushed and u've somehow managed to get out in the car, but your tyres are not in good shape. now ur being chased and im guessing that the people chasing you will have cars that do go faster than 50mph!
anyway, about 30 miles later your tyres give up and you still get caught...£200k later, your still caught...i don't see the point
honestly, money could so easily be better spent!!


I suspect that they've researched the majority of kidnapping (which is what these really sell for, especially in South America) or assasination attempts happen in built up urban areas where ambushes are easy. In that case, speed isn't really an issue as long as the car can move at all and 30 miles is long enough to get to some secure point like an embassy or something or until backup can come in.

I've heard the armored Rolls Phantom had the highest rated protection in the world. Is that still true?


getting a mile away is reckoned to be adequate.
Attackers don't tend to chase their target, because armed backup is normally on it's way!

The armoured Phantom is interesting.
I'm not sure there's an official one yet, but there are coachbuilders making stretched and armoured versions... but whether the chassis components would still meet BMW durability criteria after adding 2000kg of armour remains to be seen!