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It hasn't been on the road since Sept 22 and personally I would be asking questions about that fact . It is however a lovely looking Car with a good MOT history and in this colour ( if you can stand the endless polishing ) looks almost timeless . At £33,000 its DB9 money and having owned the DB9 in my opinion its the better car . At only ten years old , so much has changed in the interim period . The F type has been and gone , Jaguar have effectively become an SUV manufacturer and already some of us will feel nostalgia for that brief period under Ford ownership when anything seemed possible . Viewing the X150 against the F Type does anyone have any thoughts on the design ? I think the X150 design has held up pretty well and its the F type I'm less sure about .
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13573250
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13573250
Edited by reddiesel on Monday 19th June 20:15
Risonax said:
Older X150s are looking quite dated now.
I did fancy one after the X350, but now have no faith any of these cars will remain serviceable for the next 10 years, given poor Jaguar support.
I don't know what you mean by older (neglected) ? Obviously the Body shape never changed over the Models lifetime so presumably they would all look dated . I was at a Show last week where I ran into an Owner of a mint Black 4.2 XKR with Senta alloys . 43,000 miles with one solitary previous owner and a full history I have to say that for my money , it looked better than the DB9 or Vantage of the same era . Not seeking to open up any arguments about Jaguar versus Aston the Trade would retail this XKR for £20,000 to £25,000 and I think that's astounding value for an Aluminium Jaguar and arguably without precedent . 17 years after its introduction its outpaced both the XJS and the earlier steel bodied XK in retention of value over the same period . I did fancy one after the X350, but now have no faith any of these cars will remain serviceable for the next 10 years, given poor Jaguar support.
Risonax said:
Older X150s are looking quite dated now.
I did fancy one after the X350, but now have no faith any of these cars will remain serviceable for the next 10 years, given poor Jaguar support.
I don't know what you mean by older (neglected) ? Obviously the Body shape never changed over the Models lifetime so presumably they would all look dated . I was at a Show last week where I ran into an Owner of a mint Black 4.2 XKR with Senta alloys . 43,000 miles with one solitary previous owner and a full history I have to say that for my money , it looked better than the DB9 or Vantage of the same era . Not seeking to open up any arguments about Jaguar versus Aston the Trade would retail this XKR for £20,000 to £25,000 and I think that's astounding value for an Aluminium Jaguar and arguably without precedent . 17 years after its introduction its outpaced both the XJS and the earlier steel bodied XK in retention of value over the same period . I did fancy one after the X350, but now have no faith any of these cars will remain serviceable for the next 10 years, given poor Jaguar support.
reddiesel said:
Risonax said:
Older X150s are looking quite dated now.
I did fancy one after the X350, but now have no faith any of these cars will remain serviceable for the next 10 years, given poor Jaguar support.
I don't know what you mean by older (neglected) ? Obviously the Body shape never changed over the Models lifetime so presumably they would all look dated . I was at a Show last week where I ran into an Owner of a mint Black 4.2 XKR with Senta alloys . 43,000 miles with one solitary previous owner and a full history I have to say that for my money , it looked better than the DB9 or Vantage of the same era . Not seeking to open up any arguments about Jaguar versus Aston the Trade would retail this XKR for £20,000 to £25,000 and I think that's astounding value for an Aluminium Jaguar and arguably without precedent . 17 years after its introduction its outpaced both the XJS and the earlier steel bodied XK in retention of value over the same period . I did fancy one after the X350, but now have no faith any of these cars will remain serviceable for the next 10 years, given poor Jaguar support.
I have no interest in Aston Martins, not am I particularly interested in retained values, as we generally now live in a period, thanks to decisions by previous PMs, of increased used car values, overall.
However, looking at old car ads in the usual places.
A 1973 E-Type FHC in 1989 would have sold for about £15,000 in average condition. Based on the original £3700 list price (actually the list price of the 1975 run out models, but close enough), that represented about a 400% return. But taking inflation into account, inflation adjusted, that 1989 sale price was about 99% of the original outlay.
A 1975 XJ-S listed at £8900. A bit trickier to find ads in 1992, but £2000 seems about right from my recollection. Thats over 22% of original list price. Inflation adjusted, 6.4% of original value.
For a 1996-1997 X100, base model, £4500 was pretty typical in 2013, which 8% of the original £55195 outlay. Adjusting for inflation, that's 5.7%.
For a 2006 X150, average examples are about £7k. That's 11.6% of the original £60,197 list price. But adjusting for inflation, that's now £99,000, so 7%. My hunch is, if not for the economic misery caused by the 2016 decision and then the events of 2020, these X150s would have been worth a bit less now.
The X150 is certainly better than the X100, but is only slightly better than the XJS, as long as you adjust for inflation. Otherwise, its worse.
Personally, I expect anything digital with 6 cylinders or more to drop like a stone in the next few years. There is going to be no interest in maintaining their service. there will be carnage because of regulatory pressures and declining servicability. I don't expect MOT concessions to be grandfathered.
The latest news about Jaguar, with admissions to investors, that the brand now has no equity, suggests that Jaguar, as it is now, has no future, and there will be a corporate break with the heritage of the brand (ie. Tata will sell the name off). At that point, Jaguar support for "modern" Jags (anything built in the last 20 years) will end. Cars before then will be ok, as there is quite a large aftermarket keeping them going. Later cars will struggle, because you can't get the parts, but they will still be expected to comply with post-2003 emission controls and safety system functionality. Analogue cars will be fine.
So values of X150s becomes a bit moot. Ultimately, they will be worthless. In my opinion.
reddiesel said:
It hasn't been on the road since Sept 22 and personally I would be asking questions about that fact . It is however a lovely looking Car with a good MOT history and in this colour ( if you can stand the endless polishing ) looks almost timeless . At £33,000 its DB9 money and having owned the DB9 in my opinion its the better car . At only ten years old , so much has changed in the interim period . The F type has been and gone , Jaguar have effectively become an SUV manufacturer and already some of us will feel nostalgia for that brief period under Ford ownership when anything seemed possible . Viewing the X150 against the F Type does anyone have any thoughts on the design ? I think the X150 design has held up pretty well and its the F type I'm less sure about .
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13573250
Never liked the look of the restyle on these with the Hyundai Coupe style front and real lights.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/13573250
Edited by reddiesel on Monday 19th June 20:15
Can see the original XK8 being a classic but not the awful facelifted version
You'll be in the minority I'd say, I've never had a car get so many compliments from all different types of people.
When you say facelift do you actually mean facelifted X150 vs pre-facelift X150 (minimal difference) or are you meaning X100 vs. X150?
Regarding lack of support, which parts are of actual concern that don't have aftermarket options?
When you say facelift do you actually mean facelifted X150 vs pre-facelift X150 (minimal difference) or are you meaning X100 vs. X150?
Regarding lack of support, which parts are of actual concern that don't have aftermarket options?
Risonax said:
I mean dated, as in old fashioned (I don't know of any other meaning, but not sure if English is your mother tongue, so apologies if there was unintended confusion caused). Early X150s, with the early fascia, look dated, very early noughties. The interiors look particularly dated with thei strange mix of wood and Ford Focus-esque silvery plastic, especially if the interior in in that infant poo tan colour. Tata regularly revised the look of the car to keep it upto date. eg getting rid of the 80s style J-shift.
I have no interest in Aston Martins, not am I particularly interested in retained values, as we generally now live in a period, thanks to decisions by previous PMs, of increased used car values, overall.
However, looking at old car ads in the usual places.
A 1973 E-Type FHC in 1989 would have sold for about £15,000 in average condition. Based on the original £3700 list price (actually the list price of the 1975 run out models, but close enough), that represented about a 400% return. But taking inflation into account, inflation adjusted, that 1989 sale price was about 99% of the original outlay.
A 1975 XJ-S listed at £8900. A bit trickier to find ads in 1992, but £2000 seems about right from my recollection. Thats over 22% of original list price. Inflation adjusted, 6.4% of original value.
For a 1996-1997 X100, base model, £4500 was pretty typical in 2013, which 8% of the original £55195 outlay. Adjusting for inflation, that's 5.7%.
For a 2006 X150, average examples are about £7k. That's 11.6% of the original £60,197 list price. But adjusting for inflation, that's now £99,000, so 7%. My hunch is, if not for the economic misery caused by the 2016 decision and then the events of 2020, these X150s would have been worth a bit less now.
The X150 is certainly better than the X100, but is only slightly better than the XJS, as long as you adjust for inflation. Otherwise, its worse.
Personally, I expect anything digital with 6 cylinders or more to drop like a stone in the next few years. There is going to be no interest in maintaining their service. there will be carnage because of regulatory pressures and declining servicability. I don't expect MOT concessions to be grandfathered.
The latest news about Jaguar, with admissions to investors, that the brand now has no equity, suggests that Jaguar, as it is now, has no future, and there will be a corporate break with the heritage of the brand (ie. Tata will sell the name off). At that point, Jaguar support for "modern" Jags (anything built in the last 20 years) will end. Cars before then will be ok, as there is quite a large aftermarket keeping them going. Later cars will struggle, because you can't get the parts, but they will still be expected to comply with post-2003 emission controls and safety system functionality. Analogue cars will be fine.
So values of X150s becomes a bit moot. Ultimately, they will be worthless. In my opinion.
You say you're not interested in retained values, then write a small essay on them. The lower the value now, the more car you get for your money. I have no interest in Aston Martins, not am I particularly interested in retained values, as we generally now live in a period, thanks to decisions by previous PMs, of increased used car values, overall.
However, looking at old car ads in the usual places.
A 1973 E-Type FHC in 1989 would have sold for about £15,000 in average condition. Based on the original £3700 list price (actually the list price of the 1975 run out models, but close enough), that represented about a 400% return. But taking inflation into account, inflation adjusted, that 1989 sale price was about 99% of the original outlay.
A 1975 XJ-S listed at £8900. A bit trickier to find ads in 1992, but £2000 seems about right from my recollection. Thats over 22% of original list price. Inflation adjusted, 6.4% of original value.
For a 1996-1997 X100, base model, £4500 was pretty typical in 2013, which 8% of the original £55195 outlay. Adjusting for inflation, that's 5.7%.
For a 2006 X150, average examples are about £7k. That's 11.6% of the original £60,197 list price. But adjusting for inflation, that's now £99,000, so 7%. My hunch is, if not for the economic misery caused by the 2016 decision and then the events of 2020, these X150s would have been worth a bit less now.
The X150 is certainly better than the X100, but is only slightly better than the XJS, as long as you adjust for inflation. Otherwise, its worse.
Personally, I expect anything digital with 6 cylinders or more to drop like a stone in the next few years. There is going to be no interest in maintaining their service. there will be carnage because of regulatory pressures and declining servicability. I don't expect MOT concessions to be grandfathered.
The latest news about Jaguar, with admissions to investors, that the brand now has no equity, suggests that Jaguar, as it is now, has no future, and there will be a corporate break with the heritage of the brand (ie. Tata will sell the name off). At that point, Jaguar support for "modern" Jags (anything built in the last 20 years) will end. Cars before then will be ok, as there is quite a large aftermarket keeping them going. Later cars will struggle, because you can't get the parts, but they will still be expected to comply with post-2003 emission controls and safety system functionality. Analogue cars will be fine.
So values of X150s becomes a bit moot. Ultimately, they will be worthless. In my opinion.
I don't find it at all surprising that a car interior designed in the early noughties looks as if it was designed in the early noughties. And a car designed in the 2020s will look like it was designed in the 2020's - ie looks like every other car designed in the 2020s, interior of black plastic with silver bits and a tea tray stuck on the dash. It will look just as 'dated' in 2040 as the X150 interior does now.
'The latest news about Jaguar, with admissions to investors, that the brand now has no equity, suggests that Jaguar, as it is now, has no future, and there will be a corporate break with the heritage of the brand'
Jaguar dumped their heritage 15 years ago because they thought heritage was old fashioned. Now perhaps they are paying the price. There is no current Jaguar I wish to buy so I bought an Aston instead. If the money ever runs out I'll go back to an X150. Bang for the buck? You betcha.
Patrick Bateman said:
You'll be in the minority I'd say, I've never had a car get so many compliments from all different types of people.
When you say facelift do you actually mean facelifted X150 vs pre-facelift X150 (minimal difference) or are you meaning X100 vs. X150?
Regarding lack of support, which parts are of actual concern that don't have aftermarket options?
Remembered this post yesterday. I've just picked up a 2010 XKR convertible and I've never had so much positive attention for a car. Thumbs up on the motorway, people talking to me about it, kids on the street saying "mum look at that car!"When you say facelift do you actually mean facelifted X150 vs pre-facelift X150 (minimal difference) or are you meaning X100 vs. X150?
Regarding lack of support, which parts are of actual concern that don't have aftermarket options?
It's a bit weird actually! Even my XJR-S, which is a much more unusual looking thing, got nothing like this sort of response.
GeniusOfLove said:
Patrick Bateman said:
You'll be in the minority I'd say, I've never had a car get so many compliments from all different types of people.
When you say facelift do you actually mean facelifted X150 vs pre-facelift X150 (minimal difference) or are you meaning X100 vs. X150?
Regarding lack of support, which parts are of actual concern that don't have aftermarket options?
Remembered this post yesterday. I've just picked up a 2010 XKR convertible and I've never had so much positive attention for a car. Thumbs up on the motorway, people talking to me about it, kids on the street saying "mum look at that car!"When you say facelift do you actually mean facelifted X150 vs pre-facelift X150 (minimal difference) or are you meaning X100 vs. X150?
Regarding lack of support, which parts are of actual concern that don't have aftermarket options?
It's a bit weird actually! Even my XJR-S, which is a much more unusual looking thing, got nothing like this sort of response.
Had the same at the driving range car park from a complete stranger on Saturday, absolutely no prompting or previous chat straight into 'that is one nice car'.
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