How Tempting Is A High Mileage SVR?
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https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303115...
Its not often you come across them at this mileage and to be fair its MOT history is almost unblemished . As always , for me its my exit strategy which causes the greatest concern . Add another 5k to 10k to the mileage and what am I left with ? A millstone .
Its not often you come across them at this mileage and to be fair its MOT history is almost unblemished . As always , for me its my exit strategy which causes the greatest concern . Add another 5k to 10k to the mileage and what am I left with ? A millstone .
Personally I would only buy that if I had budgeted for a suspension rebuild and all the "sealed for life" fluids flushed and changed, but that's because I don't like driving worn out cars and 99.9% of cars with 91k on the clock have worn out dampers whilst 99.9% of drivers don't notice / don't care / only replace them under duress when one of them fails an MOT and even then they'll replace one or an axle pair at best making it drive even worse.
Same goes for carbon brakes. If it has them, I'm probably out actually. I wouldn't touch carbon brakes with an extra long barge pole. Great for motoring journalists' reviews - not the sort of thing you want to have to pay to replace when they're worn out.
Same goes for carbon brakes. If it has them, I'm probably out actually. I wouldn't touch carbon brakes with an extra long barge pole. Great for motoring journalists' reviews - not the sort of thing you want to have to pay to replace when they're worn out.
jamieduff1981 said:
Personally I would only buy that if I had budgeted for a suspension rebuild and all the "sealed for life" fluids flushed and changed, but that's because I don't like driving worn out cars and 99.9% of cars with 91k on the clock have worn out dampers whilst 99.9% of drivers don't notice / don't care / only replace them under duress when one of them fails an MOT and even then they'll replace one or an axle pair at best making it drive even worse.
Same goes for carbon brakes. If it has them, I'm probably out actually. I wouldn't touch carbon brakes with an extra long barge pole. Great for motoring journalists' reviews - not the sort of thing you want to have to pay to replace when they're worn out.
I disagree, it’s engineered for 200k miles and at 91k with full history will still feel fresh. Looking at your garage you obviously like old cars, especially Jaguars so I’m surprised you’d say such a thing.Same goes for carbon brakes. If it has them, I'm probably out actually. I wouldn't touch carbon brakes with an extra long barge pole. Great for motoring journalists' reviews - not the sort of thing you want to have to pay to replace when they're worn out.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th June 08:17
wormus said:
I disagree, it’s engineered for 200k miles and at 91k with full history will still feel fresh. Looking at your garage you obviously like old cars, especially Jaguars so I’m surprised you’d say such a thing.
I think I am with Jamie on this one . I don't know about being engineered for 200k miles , the 5.0 litre power plant is certainly capable of reaching high mileages and not a lot goes wrong but very few People SVR owners amongst them bother to change a damper or a bush as a matter of routine maintenance . A full history more often than not will be confined to a computer print out showing the car has been serviced to schedule . Any idea that a Edited by wormus on Friday 16th June 08:17
JLR Technician takes any Jaguar for a test drive then comes back telling you that new suspension components or dampers are required is fanciful to say the least . As Jamie intimates suspension items are largely left to the MOT tester to highlight and even then its the most rudimentary of checks based on steering play and leaking dampers . If its out of sight its out of mind and if the Tester don't pick up on it then its ok . At 91000 miles unless there is Invoice proof of the items being attended to there will be a bill in the near future though most as Jamie says will simply chance their arm and hope for the best
Edited by reddiesel on Saturday 17th June 13:00
reddiesel said:
At 91000 miles unless there is Invoice proof of the items being attended to there will be a bill in the near future though most as Jamie says will simply chance their arm and hope for the best
Bold claim, where’s the evidence such work will be required?Edited by reddiesel on Saturday 17th June 13:00
wormus said:
Bold claim, where’s the evidence such work will be required?
I don't think there is anything bold about my claim , I think its almost inconceivable that an SVR with nearly 100,000 miles showing wouldn't require perhaps a set of struts or shocks and given many were leased and subsequently had the arse ragged out of them on Trackdays merely underlines my assertion . I don't think I have to explain the necessity for Fluid Changes in Jaguars Sealed For Life units , has it been done ? Good sense would be to assume it hasn't. As I have pointed out many times before , Buyers should treat with the utmost suspicion any SVR especially those bought from Jaguar Dealerships with JLR as their previous Owner and I have personal experience of this . Here beneath is yet another example of the sort of behaviour these Dealerships engage in . Thankfully this Member was reasonably clued up , many sadly aren't .
https://www.ftypeforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&a...
Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 18th June 15:12
jamieduff1981 said:
Personally I would only buy that if I had budgeted for a suspension rebuild and all the "sealed for life" fluids flushed and changed, but that's because I don't like driving worn out cars and 99.9% of cars with 91k on the clock have worn out dampers whilst 99.9% of drivers don't notice / don't care / only replace them under duress when one of them fails an MOT and even then they'll replace one or an axle pair at best making it drive even worse.
Refreshing to hear at least one other person doesn't drive a soggy car with knackered dampers insisting it "drives like new" when it quite patently doesn't.Biggest problem with air suspension cars is that it's £3k+ for a suspension refresh so they all have very tired dampers over 100k. Interestingly I've found Mercedes ABC cars don't seem to "go off" in the same way, even the passive damper that deals with high frequency vibrations, or if it does it's far more subtle.
I've done some fairly big mileage in jaguars, i do love the completely different mindsets between the classic world and the modern car world.
With my e-type is accepted, if it moves it will wear, anything moving against anything out will cause wear and need replacing at some point. Even things that don'f wear deteriorate from frames, metal or the foam in the seats. Looked after like Triggers Broom they can last forever.
Modern cars seems to be, unless it's broken, it's fine like new.
Modern cars maybe made to better tolerances and with better materials so will last longer, but there is no escape from physics.
A high mileage SVR would not put me off but vs a low mileage i would factor in most of the bushes of the suspension will need replacing. The seats may need the same depending on use as well as the foam and leather needing work and potentially retriming plus the seats servcing, the engine, supercharger and gearbox will need full fluids change plus analysis of the oil, especially the engine to check for wear. Lots of silly things will show their age, things like the speed of the seatbelt retraction, the click of the indicators when you select them.
The entire car would need to be checked for accident damage, spray over for chips or corrosion
It is entirely possible to keep on top of these, but most owners do not. I do it on my long xjl x351 which at 5 years old still looks and drives great, but i treat it like the e-type
It is entirely possible to recommission the car and get it like new, it's expensive and you're still left with car that has a headline high mileage, we are a long way from f-types being worth the quality of the maintenance and upkeep like classic cars are.
I'd be open to buying a high mileage car, a car someone has just used as a normal car because they loved being in it, i would avoid anytng that had done high mileage due to track days, leasing or being used as a city car, otherwise looked after they can run almost indefinitely
With my e-type is accepted, if it moves it will wear, anything moving against anything out will cause wear and need replacing at some point. Even things that don'f wear deteriorate from frames, metal or the foam in the seats. Looked after like Triggers Broom they can last forever.
Modern cars seems to be, unless it's broken, it's fine like new.
Modern cars maybe made to better tolerances and with better materials so will last longer, but there is no escape from physics.
A high mileage SVR would not put me off but vs a low mileage i would factor in most of the bushes of the suspension will need replacing. The seats may need the same depending on use as well as the foam and leather needing work and potentially retriming plus the seats servcing, the engine, supercharger and gearbox will need full fluids change plus analysis of the oil, especially the engine to check for wear. Lots of silly things will show their age, things like the speed of the seatbelt retraction, the click of the indicators when you select them.
The entire car would need to be checked for accident damage, spray over for chips or corrosion
It is entirely possible to keep on top of these, but most owners do not. I do it on my long xjl x351 which at 5 years old still looks and drives great, but i treat it like the e-type
It is entirely possible to recommission the car and get it like new, it's expensive and you're still left with car that has a headline high mileage, we are a long way from f-types being worth the quality of the maintenance and upkeep like classic cars are.
I'd be open to buying a high mileage car, a car someone has just used as a normal car because they loved being in it, i would avoid anytng that had done high mileage due to track days, leasing or being used as a city car, otherwise looked after they can run almost indefinitely
reddiesel said:
Any idea that a JLR Technician takes any Jaguar for a test drive then comes back telling you that new suspension components or dampers are required is fanciful to say the least .
My ftype is in for drop links tomorrow, spotted by the technician when they were test driving it after getting my diff seal done.Edited by reddiesel on Saturday 17th June 13:00
davidd said:
My ftype is in for drop links tomorrow, spotted by the technician when they were test driving it after getting my diff seal done.
Which F Type is that David ? Based on Personal Experience I wouldn't be taking the word of a Jaguar Technician for anything especially if he is employed by the Cambridge Dealershipdavidd said:
My ftype is in for drop links tomorrow, spotted by the technician when they were test driving it after getting my diff seal done.
Which F Type is that David ? Based on Personal Experience I wouldn't be taking the word of a Jaguar Technician for anything especially if he is employed by the Cambridge Dealershipdavidd said:
My ftype is in for drop links tomorrow, spotted by the technician when they were test driving it after getting my diff seal done.
Which F Type is that David ? Based on Personal Experience I wouldn't be taking the word of a Jaguar Technician for anything especially if he is employed by the Cambridge Dealershipdavidd said:
My ftype is in for drop links tomorrow, spotted by the technician when they were test driving it after getting my diff seal done.
Which F Type is that David ? Based on Personal Experience I wouldn't be taking the word of a Jaguar Technician for anything especially if he is employed by the Cambridge Dealershipreddiesel said:
Which F Type is that David ? Based on Personal Experience I wouldn't be taking the word of a Jaguar Technician for anything especially if he is employed by the Cambridge Dealership
2016 v8r, the service people have always seemed to be be fine, although they did wash it once which was an annoyance. reddiesel said:
wormus said:
I disagree, it’s engineered for 200k miles and at 91k with full history will still feel fresh. Looking at your garage you obviously like old cars, especially Jaguars so I’m surprised you’d say such a thing.
I think I am with Jamie on this one . I don't know about being engineered for 200k miles , the 5.0 litre power plant is certainly capable of reaching high mileages and not a lot goes wrong but very few People SVR owners amongst them bother to change a damper or a bush as a matter of routine maintenance . A full history more often than not will be confined to a computer print out showing the car has been serviced to schedule . Any idea that a Edited by wormus on Friday 16th June 08:17
JLR Technician takes any Jaguar for a test drive then comes back telling you that new suspension components or dampers are required is fanciful to say the least . As Jamie intimates suspension items are largely left to the MOT tester to highlight and even then its the most rudimentary of checks based on steering play and leaking dampers . If its out of sight its out of mind and if the Tester don't pick up on it then its ok . At 91000 miles unless there is Invoice proof of the items being attended to there will be a bill in the near future though most as Jamie says will simply chance their arm and hope for the best
Edited by reddiesel on Saturday 17th June 13:00
That looks really lovely, Red. I think I'd be buying that with the idea in the back of my head that it's a keeper rather than a reseller. Since buying my XK60 back in May, I've just this month stepped over the 60k mile threshold. In the short time I've had it, it's been to my partners house in East anglia several times (300 mile round trip) and then both of us on a fantastic week long holiday to the Le Mans 24hr. I can't wait to see that odometer spool round to 200k. The miles are just trophies from the pursuit of adventures, Jaguar made these things to be out looking and sounding better than every pretender to thier throne out there on the black stuff. The F Type SVO is going to wind up being the stuff of legend when EVs finally conquer us all, so why the devil not live that life whilst you can.
Based on my experience with my 2007 XJR thats barely run in. yes its a different car but I think maybe the same engine and drivetrain (albeit in 4.2v8 guise in my car)
In on 280k miles now - at ~90k you'll want gearboxbox fluid and probably diff fluid changed plus all the belts.
On my car things have only started to be a real problem with age - pair of air shocks at 260k miles , new rad at 200k miles and various cooling pipes perished and replaced over the last 100k miles. Air suspension pump at ~180k miles.
Also suspension bushes probably need a look at 91k miles.
In on 280k miles now - at ~90k you'll want gearboxbox fluid and probably diff fluid changed plus all the belts.
On my car things have only started to be a real problem with age - pair of air shocks at 260k miles , new rad at 200k miles and various cooling pipes perished and replaced over the last 100k miles. Air suspension pump at ~180k miles.
Also suspension bushes probably need a look at 91k miles.
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