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Joy.
Sounds (with Spires rear boxes) amazing
Pace, more than fast enough for our roads.
Comfort, far better than any "crashy" German equivalent that I've driven (stuff suspension)
The infotainment is dated, although Bluetooth is still achievable, just.
And the wood interior hasn't aged well at all.
Have it serviced by a good Indy, and it's a very capable, wonderful car.
Sounds (with Spires rear boxes) amazing
Pace, more than fast enough for our roads.
Comfort, far better than any "crashy" German equivalent that I've driven (stuff suspension)
The infotainment is dated, although Bluetooth is still achievable, just.
And the wood interior hasn't aged well at all.
Have it serviced by a good Indy, and it's a very capable, wonderful car.
Edited by bunchofkeys on Thursday 29th December 22:46
At this budget and age I think you could easily be embarking on a potential nightmare , 5 previous Owners wont be unusual and occasionally more . As values decrease the maintenance costs stay the same and too often they are skimped upon . For me its research into the Model and Paperwork , Paperwork , Paperwork . Check those previous MOTs with something like Vehicle Smart which is a free download , for me it provides an invaluable record as to the sort of life the car has led and when it comes to Advisories that havent been attended to can even be good bargaining tool . Best of luck , its a wonderful alternative to the usual German tackle .
Edited by reddiesel on Saturday 31st December 20:32
The XF as a whole had a huge number of issues and recalls at the start of its life R included but they should all be sorted by now. The engines are pretty tough, it’s the body you need to be very careful to look into as rust is usually well set by the time they are the age you’re considering. Don’t forget they are S-type bases do won’t feel as modern as you think they should. As said above the infotainment system is dated as it’s originated from 2006. Not sure what the poster above means about the wood being dated, I think that depends on which wood has been specced. The XF has an interior far more modern than anything that came before it which were about as up to date as a carriage clock. As with any old car it’s all about how well it’s been cared for. One may be great and another may be a dog
craigjm said:
Don’t forget they are S-type bases do won’t feel as modern as you think they should. As said above the infotainment system is dated as it’s originated from 2006. Not sure what the poster above means about the wood being dated, I think that depends on which wood has been specced. The XF has an interior far more modern than anything that came before it which were about as up to date as a carriage clock.
Having owned two S-Types and an early XF, I'd take the S-Type any day. By comparison an XF is like a Transit van on rims. But quiet and comfortable, which was what made Jaguars special, is out of fashion. As the roads get worse the modern desire for 'sporting' makes even less sense.Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 31st December 21:57
Simpo Two said:
craigjm said:
Don’t forget they are S-type bases do won’t feel as modern as you think they should. As said above the infotainment system is dated as it’s originated from 2006. Not sure what the poster above means about the wood being dated, I think that depends on which wood has been specced. The XF has an interior far more modern than anything that came before it which were about as up to date as a carriage clock.
Having owned two S-Types and an early XF, I'd take the S-Type any day. By comparison an XF is like a Transit van on rims. But quiet and comfortable, which was what made Jaguars special, is out of fashion. As the roads get worse the modern desire for 'sporting' makes even less sense.Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 31st December 21:57
ked craigjm said:
Well that is kind of my point. The XF was an attempt to make a car that rode and handled like a 5 series but it doesn’t quite work because the underpinnings are not really designed for it. The underpinnings were not designed for big wheels with ultra low profile and you can tell. Problem is that modern new car buyers, even back in 2008 were buying BMW Msport, MB AMG Line and Audi S cars like hot cakes and quiet and comfortable was for grandad. The XF had to get on board with that or they would have been fked
I agree progress is inevitable, but you need to be careful that for every new customer you get you don't lose an old one.ked Not all modern new car buyers buy BMW Msport, MB AMG Line and Audi S; that is very much the minority. Having said that I had an E300 AMG Line convertible as a courtesy car and it was impossible to fault. It did everything very, very well. It even had a huge boot - no idea where the roof went!
My DB9 has the worst ride of any car I've owned because the masochist who bought it new specified 'sports pack' suspension. I really did think, one day in Cambridgeshire, that I was running on four flats and stopped to get out and check. The road noise is horrendous; in fact it makes an XF seem like a Rolls Royce, but because it has The Badge we cope with it...!
Simpo Two said:
I agree progress is inevitable, but you need to be careful that for every new customer you get you don't lose an old one.
The car companies are only interested in new car buyers. I guess more accurately that should be new car lease holders as that’s how the vast majority are funded these years. They don’t care about used car buyers or those that don’t change their car every 3-4 years. Low interest rates for the last 14 years have allowed lots of young people to go from lease to lease without ever having to endure the crap we did as young people so their expectations are higher and influenced heavily by the German models mentioned.
In general the older we get the less likely we are to want to be on that fairground ride so losing a few older buyers and gaining a few younger ones is all good as far as the car companies are concerned. The Germans have been far better at this than Jaguar because they have cars young people want to buy, can afford and the volume to offer tempting lease deals. None of which Jaguar has yet it has been trying to play in the same ball pit.
Will be interesting to see what happens if interest rates continue to rise and leases become unaffordable for that young cohort.
Anyway that’s all beside the point of this thread. It’s no surprise that an S type was more comfortable than an XF. Back to the OP’s question though and it’s the same old same old Jaguar issues that need to be inspected, rust and electrics. Some things never change
Its a potential minefield for the unwary Craig and I genuinely hope the OP does his homework . Another thing too and I offer it up merely as a talking point rather than a criticism , these Jaguar XFs like the X351 were largely bought by a different type of Jaguar Buyer , especially the X351s . They were the first of the Leased Jaguars along with the later XE . I remember many years ago buying various XJs throughout the Home Counties and often via small adds in Local Papers . Up the inevitable Gravel Driveway I would wander and at first the Glasgow accent would be a hindrance . They were never quite sure whether I had come to buy or hit them over the head and rob them 
Inevitably you would get talking and I would be all over the car and what wonderful People most of them turned out to be . Sadly I should think that type of Jaguar Buyer is now close to extinction in England
Inevitably you would get talking and I would be all over the car and what wonderful People most of them turned out to be . Sadly I should think that type of Jaguar Buyer is now close to extinction in Englandliner33 said:
£60k with £60k car sized bills ime
Everything for them is expensive and they aren't particular robust, i think of them the same way i think of Bentleys and Rollers of similar vintage
You cant really compare a 2010 XFR to a Conti GT, 4 less cylinders, 2wd vs 4wd and no air suspension.Everything for them is expensive and they aren't particular robust, i think of them the same way i think of Bentleys and Rollers of similar vintage
Its a fairly uncomplicated thing in comparison, most of it is normal XF aside from the engine and gearbox.
Just not in the same state, never mind ball park to the Roller or Bentley.
Full set of brakes is under £500, suspension stuff is fairly cheap. Its kind of like an AMG Merc in that respect, mostly its the cooking model with a big engine. I can DIY servicing, brakes and suspension.
I am not thinking they are cheap to run, as they really arent but I do think they can be run cost effectively, and are certainly way cheaper than a Spur, Phantom or Conti GT to run.
Tax is £600 odd, insurance is £300 for me, set of tyres is £800, I ran a V8 Mercedes for a couple of years and that was fine .I don't do huge mileage.Have spent 8 grand pissing about with a Fiesta ST over the last two years so cant imagine its much worse than that unless it needs an engine. So, assuming the ride is better than the ST, its good enough, will keep that and have it for track days, an XFR would be for trips with the wife in the UK and maybe Europe.
I had a look for rust issues online for the XF, couldnt find anything significant, anyone found anything about rust on the XF or had one that rusted ?
Might go a bit later and get the facelift, get the eight speed box.
reddiesel said:
Im always amazed at the amount of them for Sale on the Autotrader , I think I could count on one hand the amount of them I have seen on my travels . Craig will possibly know the numbers Produced but to my mind they must be amongst the rarest of the R Type Jaguars ??
Since Tata took over they don’t release production figures any more detailed than by year and series unfortunately so it would be total guesswork how many of each year were R models. Shame I've the esrlier 412bhp XF SV8 sitting on 181k miles, featured on this very site's Brave Pill feature getting on for 3 years ago.
My advice, buying right is key, will save you a whole world of pain. Maintenance & service history help, drive it everyday as all the issues seem to arise because these cars are supersensitive to a low battery (can't stress this enough). If you dont drive it everyday, keep it on a trickle charger to prevent heart stopping worry when it throws expensive looking codes, that are almost entirely down to a momentary low battery.
Have a fighting fund for things that will go wrong that are expensive, justify this by not having much depreciation to go, dont skimp on maintenance especially oil. A code reader isn't a bad idea for peace of mind and saves you money resetting the Battery Management System if you stick a battery in it yourself.
A 'the man' specialising in Jags helps a lot, as they will work with you to keep your XF on the road and not just throw parts at a problem.
I've 20" rims and the ride is still superb, the B&W sound system my be old but is the best Ive experienced.
Be prepared for the Cheshire Cat grin that comes over your face at inopportune times. I'd be up having an XFR as a replacement for the SV8.
My advice, buying right is key, will save you a whole world of pain. Maintenance & service history help, drive it everyday as all the issues seem to arise because these cars are supersensitive to a low battery (can't stress this enough). If you dont drive it everyday, keep it on a trickle charger to prevent heart stopping worry when it throws expensive looking codes, that are almost entirely down to a momentary low battery.
Have a fighting fund for things that will go wrong that are expensive, justify this by not having much depreciation to go, dont skimp on maintenance especially oil. A code reader isn't a bad idea for peace of mind and saves you money resetting the Battery Management System if you stick a battery in it yourself.
A 'the man' specialising in Jags helps a lot, as they will work with you to keep your XF on the road and not just throw parts at a problem.
I've 20" rims and the ride is still superb, the B&W sound system my be old but is the best Ive experienced.
Be prepared for the Cheshire Cat grin that comes over your face at inopportune times. I'd be up having an XFR as a replacement for the SV8.
J4CKO said:
You cant really compare a 2010 XFR to a Conti GT, 4 less cylinders, 2wd vs 4wd and no air suspension.
Its a fairly uncomplicated thing in comparison, most of it is normal XF aside from the engine and gearbox.
Just not in the same state, never mind ball park to the Roller or Bentley.
Full set of brakes is under £500, suspension stuff is fairly cheap. Its kind of like an AMG Merc in that respect, mostly its the cooking model with a big engine. I can DIY servicing, brakes and suspension.
I am not thinking they are cheap to run, as they really arent but I do think they can be run cost effectively, and are certainly way cheaper than a Spur, Phantom or Conti GT to run.
Tax is £600 odd, insurance is £300 for me, set of tyres is £800, I ran a V8 Mercedes for a couple of years and that was fine .I don't do huge mileage.Have spent 8 grand pissing about with a Fiesta ST over the last two years so cant imagine its much worse than that unless it needs an engine. So, assuming the ride is better than the ST, its good enough, will keep that and have it for track days, an XFR would be for trips with the wife in the UK and maybe Europe.
I had a look for rust issues online for the XF, couldnt find anything significant, anyone found anything about rust on the XF or had one that rusted ?
Might go a bit later and get the facelift, get the eight speed box.
Rollers , Bentleys and big jags all have a habit of dropping bills out of nowhere . I did the brakes on my facelift Jag myself (cheap) and also the supercharger itro £4k . The timing chain is another common issue that’s a big big job around £8k at a dealer , the diff can throw upIts a fairly uncomplicated thing in comparison, most of it is normal XF aside from the engine and gearbox.
Just not in the same state, never mind ball park to the Roller or Bentley.
Full set of brakes is under £500, suspension stuff is fairly cheap. Its kind of like an AMG Merc in that respect, mostly its the cooking model with a big engine. I can DIY servicing, brakes and suspension.
I am not thinking they are cheap to run, as they really arent but I do think they can be run cost effectively, and are certainly way cheaper than a Spur, Phantom or Conti GT to run.
Tax is £600 odd, insurance is £300 for me, set of tyres is £800, I ran a V8 Mercedes for a couple of years and that was fine .I don't do huge mileage.Have spent 8 grand pissing about with a Fiesta ST over the last two years so cant imagine its much worse than that unless it needs an engine. So, assuming the ride is better than the ST, its good enough, will keep that and have it for track days, an XFR would be for trips with the wife in the UK and maybe Europe.
I had a look for rust issues online for the XF, couldnt find anything significant, anyone found anything about rust on the XF or had one that rusted ?
Might go a bit later and get the facelift, get the eight speed box.
Issues as well and a faulty injector can require a top end strip as they get stuck if I was buying an early one I’d want a really good history with some of these jobs already done if not you’ll likely be doing them at least a couple yourself
thepeoplespal said:
I've the esrlier 412bhp XF SV8 sitting on 181k miles, featured on this very site's Brave Pill feature getting on for 3 years ago.
My advice, buying right is key, will save you a whole world of pain. Maintenance & service history help, drive it everyday as all the issues seem to arise because these cars are supersensitive to a low battery (can't stress this enough). If you dont drive it everyday, keep it on a trickle charger to prevent heart stopping worry when it throws expensive looking codes, that are almost entirely down to a momentary low battery.
Have a fighting fund for things that will go wrong that are expensive, justify this by not having much depreciation to go, dont skimp on maintenance especially oil. A code reader isn't a bad idea for peace of mind and saves you money resetting the Battery Management System if you stick a battery in it yourself.
A 'the man' specialising in Jags helps a lot, as they will work with you to keep your XF on the road and not just throw parts at a problem.
I've 20" rims and the ride is still superb, the B&W sound system my be old but is the best Ive experienced.
Be prepared for the Cheshire Cat grin that comes over your face at inopportune times. I'd be up having an XFR as a replacement for the SV8.
What a ringing endorsement that is for the Model and great to read .My advice, buying right is key, will save you a whole world of pain. Maintenance & service history help, drive it everyday as all the issues seem to arise because these cars are supersensitive to a low battery (can't stress this enough). If you dont drive it everyday, keep it on a trickle charger to prevent heart stopping worry when it throws expensive looking codes, that are almost entirely down to a momentary low battery.
Have a fighting fund for things that will go wrong that are expensive, justify this by not having much depreciation to go, dont skimp on maintenance especially oil. A code reader isn't a bad idea for peace of mind and saves you money resetting the Battery Management System if you stick a battery in it yourself.
A 'the man' specialising in Jags helps a lot, as they will work with you to keep your XF on the road and not just throw parts at a problem.
I've 20" rims and the ride is still superb, the B&W sound system my be old but is the best Ive experienced.
Be prepared for the Cheshire Cat grin that comes over your face at inopportune times. I'd be up having an XFR as a replacement for the SV8.
J4CKO said:
I had a look for rust issues online for the XF, couldnt find anything significant, anyone found anything about rust on the XF or had one that rusted?
Sills were a problem on XFs because some dork at Jaguar thought it would be a good idea to fill the plastic sill covers with a sponge-like material that absorbed and kept moisture. Fortunately the R (and S models fitted with the 'Aero' body-kit) don't have that problem as the sill cover is a different shape, and hollow!Similarly for doors containing sponge sound-deadening, eventually they realised it wasn't a good idea and used bitumen dead-sheet instead and anything built on or after 2009 shouldn't have an issue.
Rear subframes can start to look really ratty on all XFs - a lot of the time it is just surface rust, but my XF-S got to the stage where it was going to fail an MOT if it wasn't addressed so I bought and refurb'd a good second-hand and used it as an opportunity to refresh the entire rear-end suspension-wise. A big but not particularly complex job managed over two days with the help of my brother-in-law and a two-post lift.
Evercross said:
Sills were a problem on XFs because some dork at Jaguar thought it would be a good idea to fill the plastic sill covers with a sponge-like material that absorbed and kept moisture. Fortunately the R (and S models fitted with the 'Aero' body-kit) don't have that problem as the sill cover is a different shape, and hollow!
Similarly for doors containing sponge sound-deadening, eventually they realised it wasn't a good idea and used bitumen dead-sheet instead and anything built on or after 2009 shouldn't have an issue.
Rear subframes can start to look really ratty on all XFs - a lot of the time it is just surface rust, but my XF-S got to the stage where it was going to fail an MOT if it wasn't addressed so I bought and refurb'd a good second-hand and used it as an opportunity to refresh the entire rear-end suspension-wise. A big but not particularly complex job managed over two days with the help of my brother-in-law and a two-post lift.
Yep and in addition to this, rather bizarrely, many pre facelift cars suffer with rust on the boot lid where the chrome strip goes across the back Similarly for doors containing sponge sound-deadening, eventually they realised it wasn't a good idea and used bitumen dead-sheet instead and anything built on or after 2009 shouldn't have an issue.
Rear subframes can start to look really ratty on all XFs - a lot of the time it is just surface rust, but my XF-S got to the stage where it was going to fail an MOT if it wasn't addressed so I bought and refurb'd a good second-hand and used it as an opportunity to refresh the entire rear-end suspension-wise. A big but not particularly complex job managed over two days with the help of my brother-in-law and a two-post lift.
craigjm said:
Yep and in addition to this, rather bizarrely, many pre facelift cars suffer with rust on the boot lid where the chrome strip goes across the back
I avoided that on mine by removing the strip and sticking a length of clear waterproof tape along the contact surfaces between the trim and the metal. The rust was caused by the trim-piece vibrating against the paint and wearing it away.There's a similar issue where the rubber tube covering the wiring loom going into the boot lid rubs away the paint at the top right corner of the boot aperture. Again, a carefully applied piece of clear waterproof tape avoids the problem.
Evercross said:
craigjm said:
Yep and in addition to this, rather bizarrely, many pre facelift cars suffer with rust on the boot lid where the chrome strip goes across the back
I avoided that on mine by removing the strip and sticking a length of clear waterproof tape along the contact surfaces between the trim and the metal. The rust was caused by the trim-piece vibrating against the paint and wearing it away.There's a similar issue where the rubber tube covering the wiring loom going into the boot lid rubs away the paint at the top right corner of the boot aperture. Again, a carefully applied piece of clear waterproof tape avoids the problem.
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