What’s The Difference?
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https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/14046993
For me the XJ has never suited wire wheels and I dont think this one is any exception . Can anyone tell me the difference between a TWR V12 as fitted to this Car and the Standard Unit ? I am just trying to understand the Price Premium .
For me the XJ has never suited wire wheels and I dont think this one is any exception . Can anyone tell me the difference between a TWR V12 as fitted to this Car and the Standard Unit ? I am just trying to understand the Price Premium .
Actually I think the wire wheels make it rather distinctive and more Jaguarish.
As for the price, ring them up and see what BS they spin you... they can hardly claim low mileage...!
Seems that some dealers are picking numbers out of thin air.
ETA Here's the rest of the stock. A Mini for £240K? Well heck where's my wallet, I'm off to 'grab a bargin' as they say...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/dealer/972...
As for the price, ring them up and see what BS they spin you... they can hardly claim low mileage...!
Seems that some dealers are picking numbers out of thin air.
ETA Here's the rest of the stock. A Mini for £240K? Well heck where's my wallet, I'm off to 'grab a bargin' as they say...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/dealer/972...
Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 10th December 18:16
Jordie Barretts sock said:
It's a Daimler, not a Jag. And looks bloody awful on those wheels.
Wheels aside, Jaguar bought Daimler 30 years before it was made; 'Daimler' is just a trim level, one above Sovereign.It doesn't have the right grille for a Daimler - this is a 1990 S3 Jaguar Daimler: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1528375
Comparing the price and mileage, it looks like you're paying £50K for the 'TWR' engine...
Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 10th December 21:04
Simpo Two said:
Wheels aside, Jaguar bought Daimler 30 years before it was made; 'Daimler' is just a trim level, one above Sovereign.
It doesn't have the right grille for a Daimler - this is a 1990 S3 Jaguar Daimler: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1528375
Comparing the price and mileage, it looks like you're paying £50K for the 'TWR' engine...
Thats a beautiful car in the link Simpo with the beautiful GKN Kent alloys . The final XJ Saloon which left Browns Lane was sat on a set of these and no other alloy wheel suited the XJ better . You will notice the similarity with the Triumph Stag alloy which came from the same source .It doesn't have the right grille for a Daimler - this is a 1990 S3 Jaguar Daimler: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1528375
Comparing the price and mileage, it looks like you're paying £50K for the 'TWR' engine...
Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 10th December 21:04
I totally agree with you about the £50k for the TWR engine but what are the differences over the standard unit to justify this premium ? I shall have to do some research when this snow starts .
An interesting advert, that reads as if written by an estate agent, with plenty of artistic licence.
It's not a Daimler, it's clearly badged as a Jaguar, has Jaguar seats etc etc., and is regd. as a Jaguar.
Does it have a 'TWR' engine? Difficult to tell; I'm guessing that by saying TWR it MIGHT have one of the TWR 6.0-litre engines from the XJR-S but it's listed as having a 5.3 engine. The TWR engines of that period were longer-stroke, different pistons and a Zytec management system, which, in my opinion, might well now actually be a disadvantage due to parts availability. It might just have a later standard 6.0-litre, or it might still have the original 5.3 as shown on DVLA's records. The cam covers don't really assist as the TWR 6.0-litres had different covers originally and those look like std 5.3 ones.
Wire wheels? Personally, I don't think they suit the XJ; my favourites, by far, are the Kent alloys, though I do like the rare Daimler-specific chrome trims on some of the early 80's Series 3s. I do have an old photo of a Series 1 on wire wheels but can't find it at the moment: the story is that (in the 60s) the mock ups and early prototype cars were always fitted with wire wheels and William Heynes' personal car always had them, but they weren't fitted due to cost. That doesn't sound like Jaguar in the 60s, does it
I can't really see the added-value in that car.
It's not a Daimler, it's clearly badged as a Jaguar, has Jaguar seats etc etc., and is regd. as a Jaguar.
Does it have a 'TWR' engine? Difficult to tell; I'm guessing that by saying TWR it MIGHT have one of the TWR 6.0-litre engines from the XJR-S but it's listed as having a 5.3 engine. The TWR engines of that period were longer-stroke, different pistons and a Zytec management system, which, in my opinion, might well now actually be a disadvantage due to parts availability. It might just have a later standard 6.0-litre, or it might still have the original 5.3 as shown on DVLA's records. The cam covers don't really assist as the TWR 6.0-litres had different covers originally and those look like std 5.3 ones.
Wire wheels? Personally, I don't think they suit the XJ; my favourites, by far, are the Kent alloys, though I do like the rare Daimler-specific chrome trims on some of the early 80's Series 3s. I do have an old photo of a Series 1 on wire wheels but can't find it at the moment: the story is that (in the 60s) the mock ups and early prototype cars were always fitted with wire wheels and William Heynes' personal car always had them, but they weren't fitted due to cost. That doesn't sound like Jaguar in the 60s, does it
I can't really see the added-value in that car.
TarquinMX5 said:
It's not a Daimler, it's clearly badged as a Jaguar, has Jaguar seats etc etc., and is regd. as a Jaguar.
I'm guessing that by saying TWR it MIGHT have one of the TWR 6.0-litre engines from the XJR-S but it's listed as having a 5.3 engine.... It might just have a later standard 6.0-litre, or it might still have the original 5.3 as shown on DVLA's records. The cam covers don't really assist as the TWR 6.0-litres had different covers originally and those look like std 5.3 ones.
Good post.I'm guessing that by saying TWR it MIGHT have one of the TWR 6.0-litre engines from the XJR-S but it's listed as having a 5.3 engine.... It might just have a later standard 6.0-litre, or it might still have the original 5.3 as shown on DVLA's records. The cam covers don't really assist as the TWR 6.0-litres had different covers originally and those look like std 5.3 ones.
So I think we're agreed gentlemen - it's total horses
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Yes I think we are though I would still like to find out for sure what TWR actually have to do with this particular Jaguar . I shall probably give the Vendor a call . I am looking at the green paint peeling from the manifolds and wondering if someone from Jaguar Forum have had the old " rattle can " out . Some of the Boys over there couldn't own a Jaguar without painting the Brake Callipers red 
Yes I think we are though I would still like to find out for sure what TWR actually have to do with this particular Jaguar . I shall probably give the Vendor a call . I am looking at the green paint peeling from the manifolds and wondering if someone from Jaguar Forum have had the old " rattle can " out . Some of the Boys over there couldn't own a Jaguar without painting the Brake Callipers red
It could be a number of things. Most people know the “twr v12” from the XJ-RS which was originally a 5.3 engine with some small modifications including the exhaust and the shift point of the gearbox. From 1989 the engine gets more of an overhaul with changes to the pistons, lengthens the stroke and used a Zytek ECU amongst other things to raise the power to about 318bhp. These are both based on the original HE 5.3 v12 and retain the 3 speed box.
There is also a 6.1 v12 conversion that they offered which takes the car it’s fitted to up to 380bhp but cars with this engine are very rare.
None of these engines should be confused with with Ford overhauled coil on plug 4 speed auto version available in the XJ a few years later.
As the TWR stuff aftermarket, or should after production be a better turn or phrase, many of them are still registered as 5.3 when in fact they are 6.0
There is also a 6.1 v12 conversion that they offered which takes the car it’s fitted to up to 380bhp but cars with this engine are very rare.
None of these engines should be confused with with Ford overhauled coil on plug 4 speed auto version available in the XJ a few years later.
As the TWR stuff aftermarket, or should after production be a better turn or phrase, many of them are still registered as 5.3 when in fact they are 6.0
Simpo Two said:
Wheels aside, Jaguar bought Daimler 30 years before it was made; 'Daimler' is just a trim level, one above Sovereign.
It doesn't have the right grille for a Daimler - this is a 1990 S3 Jaguar Daimler: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1528375
Comparing the price and mileage, it looks like you're paying £50K for the 'TWR' engine...
There might have been alcohol involved in my previous post. It doesn't have the right grille for a Daimler - this is a 1990 S3 Jaguar Daimler: https://www.carandclassic.com/car/C1528375
Comparing the price and mileage, it looks like you're paying £50K for the 'TWR' engine...
Edited by Simpo Two on Saturday 10th December 21:04
I did know that.
Wires still look dreadful. And they don't look great on an E Type either.
It's the only rational explanation!
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