Moon miles F-Pace - would you?
Discussion
Morning all,
I've currently got my eye on a 3.0 V6S diesel F-pace with a not insignificant 188,000 miles on the clock.
Usually I'm not fussed by higher mileage cars having owned a number of cars between 120-150k and one Audi coupe that had 213k (but that was only bought to feed the ur quattro I had at the times appetite for rare parts!)
However, whilst it's significantly cheaper than say a 120k miler equivalent it's not 'cheap'. I've owned 60 odd cars in my time but only one pseudo Jag (X type estate) so my knowledge on Jags and what to look for & more imoportantly what to avoid is low!
For reference the next F-Pace with the spec I want (panoramic roof, tow bar, virtual cockpit, heated front/rear seats etc) is £10k more expensive!
Would you be put off by such high miles? Only one company owner up to 160k then the current owner to 188k
I've currently got my eye on a 3.0 V6S diesel F-pace with a not insignificant 188,000 miles on the clock.
Usually I'm not fussed by higher mileage cars having owned a number of cars between 120-150k and one Audi coupe that had 213k (but that was only bought to feed the ur quattro I had at the times appetite for rare parts!)
However, whilst it's significantly cheaper than say a 120k miler equivalent it's not 'cheap'. I've owned 60 odd cars in my time but only one pseudo Jag (X type estate) so my knowledge on Jags and what to look for & more imoportantly what to avoid is low!
For reference the next F-Pace with the spec I want (panoramic roof, tow bar, virtual cockpit, heated front/rear seats etc) is £10k more expensive!
Would you be put off by such high miles? Only one company owner up to 160k then the current owner to 188k
reddiesel said:
I wouldn't be discouraged by the miles covered though I would be going over the MOT history especially any advisories . I would be using these as a negotiating tool because lets face it . At this sort of mileage its very much a buyers market .
Surely if it passes the next mot then the problems are fixed? Advisories that do not get fixed would make sense but I don’t understand how past mot’s help you negotiate?Caddyshack said:
reddiesel said:
I wouldn't be discouraged by the miles covered though I would be going over the MOT history especially any advisories . I would be using these as a negotiating tool because lets face it . At this sort of mileage its very much a buyers market .
Surely if it passes the next mot then the problems are fixed? Advisories that do not get fixed would make sense but I don’t understand how past mot’s help you negotiate?
What I would use previous MOT's for is to gauge whether it's been pro-actively looked after or reactively (as well as looking at service history!). It's been main dealer serviced until 160k and indy serviced in the last year. Current MOT is only a month old with no advisories too so seems to all point towards a reasonably well looked after car.
I've bitten the bullet and getting it inspected/collected this week all things going well. Spoke with the current owner last night who's still using it daily until his q tron arrives. He came across well which I weight quite highly when buying a car privately so watch this space!
Caddyshack said:
Surely if it passes the next mot then the problems are fixed? Advisories that do not get fixed would make sense but I don’t understand how past mot’s help you negotiate?
Of course they aren't necessarily fixed , whatever gave you that idea ? If they aren't fixed and its clear they aren't fixed then thats your case for a price reductionQuattroDave said:
I wouldn't use MOT's to negotiate either and nor do I need help negotiating
What I would use previous MOT's for is to gauge whether it's been pro-actively looked after or reactively (as well as looking at service history!). It's been main dealer serviced until 160k and indy serviced in the last year. Current MOT is only a month old with no advisories too so seems to all point towards a reasonably well looked after car.
I've bitten the bullet and getting it inspected/collected this week all things going well. Spoke with the current owner last night who's still using it daily until his q tron arrives. He came across well which I weight quite highly when buying a car privately so watch this space!
You never mentioned any MOT history in your initial post and at that mileage as you say , you wont need any help negotiating as its largely you and the Breaker . I posted a thread some time back about the previously unheard mileages now being covered by Jaguars so I wish you well with it . What happened with your plans for an SVR ? What I would use previous MOT's for is to gauge whether it's been pro-actively looked after or reactively (as well as looking at service history!). It's been main dealer serviced until 160k and indy serviced in the last year. Current MOT is only a month old with no advisories too so seems to all point towards a reasonably well looked after car.
I've bitten the bullet and getting it inspected/collected this week all things going well. Spoke with the current owner last night who's still using it daily until his q tron arrives. He came across well which I weight quite highly when buying a car privately so watch this space!
116 123 is the number for the Samaritans should you need them
Edited by reddiesel on Thursday 10th November 06:39
reddiesel said:
QuattroDave said:
I wouldn't use MOT's to negotiate either and nor do I need help negotiating
What I would use previous MOT's for is to gauge whether it's been pro-actively looked after or reactively (as well as looking at service history!). It's been main dealer serviced until 160k and indy serviced in the last year. Current MOT is only a month old with no advisories too so seems to all point towards a reasonably well looked after car.
I've bitten the bullet and getting it inspected/collected this week all things going well. Spoke with the current owner last night who's still using it daily until his q tron arrives. He came across well which I weight quite highly when buying a car privately so watch this space!
You never mentioned any MOT history in your initial post and at that mileage as you say , you wont need any help negotiating as its largely you and the Breaker . I posted a thread some time back about the previously unheard mileages now being covered by Jaguars so I wish you well with it . What happened with your plans for an SVR ? What I would use previous MOT's for is to gauge whether it's been pro-actively looked after or reactively (as well as looking at service history!). It's been main dealer serviced until 160k and indy serviced in the last year. Current MOT is only a month old with no advisories too so seems to all point towards a reasonably well looked after car.
I've bitten the bullet and getting it inspected/collected this week all things going well. Spoke with the current owner last night who's still using it daily until his q tron arrives. He came across well which I weight quite highly when buying a car privately so watch this space!
116 123 is the number for the Samaritans should you need them
Edited by reddiesel on Thursday 10th November 06:39
With the SVR, had I got the bonus I was expecting I could have bought without finance an early one. But the trouble with that is I sat in a facelift version of the SVR and it was so much nicer that I'd rather wait until I could afford one of those! So figured I'd get a 'cheap' F-pace for a year to let facelift SVR prices fall a little, bank balance to (hopefully) increase a little and gives me (well my wife) some solid time in an F-pace to decide whether we want to upgrade.
No far from it , in fact I was thinking earlier what a good Topic for a Thread it would make . Its not that common what you are going to do especially when it involves a current Model like the F Pace . I think you have been diligent in all you have done regarding checks etc and to then buy the car remotely.....well once again its not that common a thing to do . I run a fleet of Mercedes Sprinters and stratospheric mileages , 350,000 isnt that uncommon on the original chain driven engine , is something that I am familiar with . On a slightly different tangent can i ask if you would have been in the market for a Range Rover with this sort of mileage ? Colossal Bills associated with these vehicles as they get older .
reddiesel said:
No far from it , in fact I was thinking earlier what a good Topic for a Thread it would make . Its not that common what you are going to do especially when it involves a current Model like the F Pace . I think you have been diligent in all you have done regarding checks etc and to then buy the car remotely.....well once again its not that common a thing to do . I run a fleet of Mercedes Sprinters and stratospheric mileages , 350,000 isnt that uncommon on the original chain driven engine , is something that I am familiar with . On a slightly different tangent can i ask if you would have been in the market for a Range Rover with this sort of mileage ? Colossal Bills associated with these vehicles as they get older .
Really good question on the Range Rover.The company I work for the dad and the sons all have Range Rovers, think they have 7 between the three of them all <5 years old and they do say a lot of things go wrong with them but they grew up with Range Rovers and wouldn't have anything else!
I actually tried to convince my wife to go for a RRS c2014/5 as they're fairly cheap but she just doesn't like them and find them too big. Would I go for one of those with big miles? Possibly. For me it comes down to how they've been looked after and in fact one of the sons of the owner I work for also has an F-Pace and he viewed higher miles as a positive as it must be a "good one" as there's so many bad ones around!
It'll be my first remote purchase of a car, I had buckled and went to buy train tickets but it was looking at 6.5hrs there and 4.5hrs back for only £200 less than getting it inspected and delivered so I figure now is the time to give it a go!
I read somewhere that almost 8 in every 10 new Cars are subject to a Leasing Agreement . Judging by the amount of new Land Rovers I see running around JLR must have very competitive rates . We were recently completing one of our Sites down in Aston Clinton when I came across a chap with over £250,000 of Range Rovers on his driveway one morning . The house prices ranged from £850,000 to just over a £1000000 so I made the assumption he probably owned them . To his credit he said they were in fact leased and were only there as they were cheaper than the Cayennes which they replaced .
The Trade have a saying that when the Warranty is out they are out ! I always bear this in mind whenever I am tempted .
I remember a year or so ago asking a Technician in Guy Salmon why there was such a disparity in reliability between Jaguar and Land Rover given some components were often the same . He put it down to the weight differential of the vehicles especially when fitted with comparatively light engines .
The Trade have a saying that when the Warranty is out they are out ! I always bear this in mind whenever I am tempted .
I remember a year or so ago asking a Technician in Guy Salmon why there was such a disparity in reliability between Jaguar and Land Rover given some components were often the same . He put it down to the weight differential of the vehicles especially when fitted with comparatively light engines .
reddiesel said:
I read somewhere that almost 8 in every 10 new Cars are subject to a Leasing Agreement . Judging by the amount of new Land Rovers I see running around JLR must have very competitive rates . We were recently completing one of our Sites down in Aston Clinton when I came across a chap with over £250,000 of Range Rovers on his driveway one morning . The house prices ranged from £850,000 to just over a £1000000 so I made the assumption he probably owned them . To his credit he said they were in fact leased and were only there as they were cheaper than the Cayennes which they replaced .
The Trade have a saying that when the Warranty is out they are out ! I always bear this in mind whenever I am tempted .
I remember a year or so ago asking a Technician in Guy Salmon why there was such a disparity in reliability between Jaguar and Land Rover given some components were often the same . He put it down to the weight differential of the vehicles especially when fitted with comparatively light engines .
I looked at JLR leases and they're not what I'd call 'cheap' a FFRR is about twice my mortgage per month! I'm fairly sure none of my bosses cars are leased as he's got 83 and counting with a value of c£10m!The Trade have a saying that when the Warranty is out they are out ! I always bear this in mind whenever I am tempted .
I remember a year or so ago asking a Technician in Guy Salmon why there was such a disparity in reliability between Jaguar and Land Rover given some components were often the same . He put it down to the weight differential of the vehicles especially when fitted with comparatively light engines .
Ref weights I'd specifically excluded any 2.0 engines on nothing more than my gut feel that bigger engines = less stress = more reliable/capable of bigger miles (that and I like power!!)
Update. Collection booked in for Monday and paid for. I'll get a live stream walk around the car on Monday and report back from a test drive and all going well I'll do the bank transfer and take delivery Tuesday! I'll report back on my two experiments (distance buying from private & high miles Jag) when I get it!
reddiesel said:
Looking forward to hearing how things progress
Well this all took a turn for the worse!Booked the inspection/collection company Friday morning. Explicitly asked them to call the seller after my call to arrange a collection date/time which they said "yes we'll do that" and duly took my money. Immediately text seller after to say you should be getting a call shortly from xx company to arrange collection for Monday afternoon. Job done.
Fast forward to 7pm Friday I get an irate text from seller saying "no one called me so I booked a flight to Spain Sunday morning I won't be back until Wednesday, they'll have to collect then". I responded with "I text you before 11am to say they're going to collect Monday, if you weren't going to be around why not tell me then, regardless of whether they called or not?" Seller gets all defensive saying "I'm not going to bloody wait around all day just in case someone calls me to arrange collection". Followed by "I've someone else interested now so I'm going to need a deposit to secure".
I'm now not 'feeling it' with this guy given his erratic contact and deferring the collection date once I've booked the collection and my wife has now had time to reflect and has decided she really doesn't want a 188k mile car no matter how well it's been looked after.
Called xx company this morning and was told I wasn't due a refund as I'd cancelled on the day. Had to speak with GM who luckily was the guy I'd spoken to on Friday and has agreed to refund the whole amount saying "we really messed up here by the sounds of it".
I'm now due to look at a RRS that's only 15 miles away at 5pm tonight, all going well I'll be buying that and letting the F-pace seller know I'm withdrawing and he should sell to the trader who is wanting to buy.
Not really where I saw this weekend going if i'm honest! Personally still prefer the Jag but for 3k more we get a RRS with less than half the mileage and can view before we buy!
abzmike said:
Everything happens for a reason!
Doesn't it just!Just informed seller that I'm now unable to collect so he should sell to the trader who is intereted. He just sent two laughing emoji's back :S
Bizarre. This would have been my 60th personal car purchase and is easily the oddest/most erratic conversations I've had with a seller.
No hard feelings though, good luck to the seller and I'm sure it'll be a cracking car for whomever gets it next, it certainly looked good in the pics and spec is pretty epic!
QuattroDave said:
Doesn't it just!
Just informed seller that I'm now unable to collect so he should sell to the trader who is intereted. He just sent two laughing emoji's back :S
Bizarre. This would have been my 60th personal car purchase and is easily the oddest/most erratic conversations I've had with a seller.
No hard feelings though, good luck to the seller and I'm sure it'll be a cracking car for whomever gets it next, it certainly looked good in the pics and spec is pretty epic!
I have to admire your attitude to towards the Seller , it certainly wouldn't be mine though in the end what can you do ? Im with my fellow Poster above in that everything tends to happen for a reason and in the end there are plenty more out there .Just informed seller that I'm now unable to collect so he should sell to the trader who is intereted. He just sent two laughing emoji's back :S
Bizarre. This would have been my 60th personal car purchase and is easily the oddest/most erratic conversations I've had with a seller.
No hard feelings though, good luck to the seller and I'm sure it'll be a cracking car for whomever gets it next, it certainly looked good in the pics and spec is pretty epic!
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