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I have rod bearing rotation, car has covered 74k miles, 6,000 of those in my ownership.
Car is black edition portfolio, ultimate black with white leather interior.
The suggestions to me to date by two very good Jaguar independent's is:-
Fit used engine supplied by well know parts breaker and fitted by the indie £8,000.00 total comes with 3 months warranty from the breaker
Purchase new engine from Jaguar and fitted by the indie still waiting for the cost of the engine from Jaguar but its alleged to be circa £12,000.00 total.
These cars don't have the residual value to warrant spending the above sums, your advice and knowledge on any further options would be greatly appreciated.
Sadly if the figures you quote are accurate then the car is beyond economic repair . I would be taking my £8k and putting it into a runabout in order to get to my work and flogging the Jaguar to a Breaker . The only other option is to source an engine cheaper than your Indy has quoted and immediately sell the car back to the trade . Have you done any research on these replacement engine prices ?
It would depend on how long you want to keep it for or what you intend on replacing it with. If your only going to buy another for 15k then sinking the money into yours makes more sense, lets say some company from eastern europe buys it for 4k, to with that your going to need 11k to get you something similar. In which case its probably cheaper to fix what you have.
Its not removing the engine and refitting thats the issue, its swapping everything over that takes the time along with various parts you might as well replace while its in bits - on a used engine i'd be swapping belts and turbos and EGR's while it was easy to do.
Its not removing the engine and refitting thats the issue, its swapping everything over that takes the time along with various parts you might as well replace while its in bits - on a used engine i'd be swapping belts and turbos and EGR's while it was easy to do.
stevemcs said:
It would depend on how long you want to keep it for or what you intend on replacing it with. If your only going to buy another for 15k then sinking the money into yours makes more sense, lets say some company from eastern europe buys it for 4k, to with that your going to need 11k to get you something similar. In which case its probably cheaper to fix what you have.
Its not removing the engine and refitting thats the issue, its swapping everything over that takes the time along with various parts you might as well replace while its in bits - on a used engine i'd be swapping belts and turbos and EGR's while it was easy to do.
Swapping all those supplementary parts when added to the £8k for the Recon Engine , if using genuine Jaguar Parts could easily top out to nearer £10k and he would be left with something that is guaranteed for a mere 3 months and has a trade value of less than his outlay . Clearly there is a point to be made with what you say in your Post but what a bleak position for the OP to be in . I suspect the Indy is quoting big money for this job , I havent looked recently but I estimate at the prices quoted he must be close to £4k for fitting costs . The Engine I think will be around £4k-£4.5k to buy .Its not removing the engine and refitting thats the issue, its swapping everything over that takes the time along with various parts you might as well replace while its in bits - on a used engine i'd be swapping belts and turbos and EGR's while it was easy to do.
Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 20th March 18:07
reddiesel said:
Sadly if the figures you quote are accurate then the car is beyond economic repair . I would be taking my £8k and putting it into a runabout in order to get to my work and flogging the Jaguar to a Breaker . The only other option is to source an engine cheaper than your Indy has quoted and immediately sell the car back to the trade . Have you done any research on these replacement engine prices ?
Yes I am already looking at others cars to contribute the 8K towards, and the jaguar was my daily get to work car, and the 6 months we had together were great until it went bang.Breaker does not want my car, and the engine he wants to sell me only has 3 months warranty, so I would have to sell the car on as soon as possible for as much as possible.
stevemcs said:
It would depend on how long you want to keep it for or what you intend on replacing it with. If your only going to buy another for 15k then sinking the money into yours makes more sense, lets say some company from eastern europe buys it for 4k, to with that your going to need 11k to get you something similar. In which case its probably cheaper to fix what you have.
Its not removing the engine and refitting thats the issue, its swapping everything over that takes the time along with various parts you might as well replace while its in bits - on a used engine i'd be swapping belts and turbos and EGR's while it was easy to do.
With the exception of the new Jaguar unit, the used engines only come with 3 months warranty, and the car has already had 2.5K spent on it.Its not removing the engine and refitting thats the issue, its swapping everything over that takes the time along with various parts you might as well replace while its in bits - on a used engine i'd be swapping belts and turbos and EGR's while it was easy to do.
reddiesel said:
Swapping all those supplementary parts when added to the £8k for the Recon Engine , if using genuine Jaguar Parts could easily top out to nearer £10k and he would be left with something that is guaranteed for a mere 3 months and has a trade value of less than his outlay . Clearly there is a point to be made with what you say in your Post but what a bleak position for the OP to be in . I suspect the Indy is quoting big money for this job , I havent looked recently but I estimate at the prices quoted he must be close to £4k for fitting costs . The Engine I think will be around £4k-£4.5k to buy .
Bleak is the right word, I could probably stand it if i were getting 12 months warranty.Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 20th March 18:07
I would really like to sell the car as is, cut my losses and move onto something else.
I need a weekend mechanic buyer, who will repair it, sell it and make a profit
In the past I have had four Jaguars, but they were all V8's and faultless, but with 112 miles motorway journey for work 3 times a week that's also a money pit.
Many thanks all, hopefully this topic won't die just yet and someone will come up with a solution, well it is only 9 months to Christmas
We did an E Class the other week that the customer supplied the used engine for, we just charged labour, with all the gaskets, labour and a new turbo plus service parts while it was out, water pump, glow plugs etc It stood him around £4500, 2 weeks later the used engine sprung a leak and the the suspension decided it didn't want to work - so another £500, I would say the car was worth 6k, with a broken engine it was probably worth 2k. We couldn't convince him to scrap it (some cars you know its not worth spending money on.
Next was a Transit, To remove, swap and refit inc roadtest was 18 hours labour
I thought JLR had some of these engines on the trade club and they were pretty cheap for what they are, labour wise i'm off at the minute but i'd guess from start to finish doing it right you would be 3.5 to 3 days, so up to £1500 in labour.
You could stick it on ebay, list whats wrong with it, a lot go to Poland, they usually pay strong money and collect quickly.
Next was a Transit, To remove, swap and refit inc roadtest was 18 hours labour
I thought JLR had some of these engines on the trade club and they were pretty cheap for what they are, labour wise i'm off at the minute but i'd guess from start to finish doing it right you would be 3.5 to 3 days, so up to £1500 in labour.
You could stick it on ebay, list whats wrong with it, a lot go to Poland, they usually pay strong money and collect quickly.
dadofbud said:
Bleak is the right word, I could probably stand it if i were getting 12 months warranty.
I would really like to sell the car as is, cut my losses and move onto something else.
I need a weekend mechanic buyer, who will repair it, sell it and make a profit
In the past I have had four Jaguars, but they were all V8's and faultless, but with 112 miles motorway journey for work 3 times a week that's also a money pit.
Many thanks all, hopefully this topic won't die just yet and someone will come up with a solution, well it is only 9 months to Christmas
I think your instincts are totally spot on and you want out as quick as possible , especially so if you fit a reconditioned unit because a three month warranty is the equivalent of a ticking time bomb where a reconditioned engine is concerned . I would really like to sell the car as is, cut my losses and move onto something else.
I need a weekend mechanic buyer, who will repair it, sell it and make a profit
In the past I have had four Jaguars, but they were all V8's and faultless, but with 112 miles motorway journey for work 3 times a week that's also a money pit.
Many thanks all, hopefully this topic won't die just yet and someone will come up with a solution, well it is only 9 months to Christmas
stevemcs said:
We did an E Class the other week that the customer supplied the used engine for, we just charged labour, with all the gaskets, labour and a new turbo plus service parts while it was out, water pump, glow plugs etc It stood him around £4500, 2 weeks later the used engine sprung a leak and the the suspension decided it didn't want to work - so another £500, I would say the car was worth 6k, with a broken engine it was probably worth 2k. We couldn't convince him to scrap it (some cars you know its not worth spending money on.
Next was a Transit, To remove, swap and refit inc roadtest was 18 hours labour
I thought JLR had some of these engines on the trade club and they were pretty cheap for what they are, labour wise i'm off at the minute but i'd guess from start to finish doing it right you would be 3.5 to 3 days, so up to £1500 in labour.
You could stick it on ebay, list whats wrong with it, a lot go to Poland, they usually pay strong money and collect quickly.
I have recently replaced the engines in a couple of my Dropside Sprinters . Brand new from Mercedes at £7k including Vat and my Mercedes Trained Mechanic can fit them in a shift and I give him £1k for his trouble . The price of these crate engines are barely the equivalent of a Vat Payment on a new vehicle so for me its a no brainer . From memory a 2 Year Warranty .Next was a Transit, To remove, swap and refit inc roadtest was 18 hours labour
I thought JLR had some of these engines on the trade club and they were pretty cheap for what they are, labour wise i'm off at the minute but i'd guess from start to finish doing it right you would be 3.5 to 3 days, so up to £1500 in labour.
You could stick it on ebay, list whats wrong with it, a lot go to Poland, they usually pay strong money and collect quickly.
dadofbud said:
Many thanks to all, for the advise and sensible comments, my car went to Philip Schofield today.
Any suggestions for a replacement daily.
Great news and a worry off your shoulders for sure . I wouldn't know what to suggest as a replacement as its largely down to personal preference . Another Diesel when some of these Petrol Engined cars are capable of astounding MPG ? Another Jaguar ? The F Pace seems a good place to be but they dont come cheap and its an SUV , an XE may be a bit small after the XF . After that its German or one of those Korean Cars with a Free Service Agreement till you are as old as your Grandfather Any suggestions for a replacement daily.
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