F Type Engine Replacement
Discussion
Looking at a potential F Type purchase and have found a nice looking car, but before I commit I just wanted a bit of guidance/advice as I’m slightly uneasy about a couple of things.
Although not detailed in the advert the Indie selling it has told me that in the last six months the engine has been replaced at a cost of £22k, £17k of which was coughed up by the owner, it has about eight months of warranty and has only covered 600 miles since.
Also and slightly more worrying, 300 miles later it had six oxygen sensors and two catalysts replaced at a cost of £3k, obviously a lot less than an engine, but would you expect these to fail, are they considered a consumable item?
I guess there could be two schools of thought, walk-away because some cars are just inherently problematic (not very scientific, I know), or feel assured because of the money already spent on it.
Although not detailed in the advert the Indie selling it has told me that in the last six months the engine has been replaced at a cost of £22k, £17k of which was coughed up by the owner, it has about eight months of warranty and has only covered 600 miles since.
Also and slightly more worrying, 300 miles later it had six oxygen sensors and two catalysts replaced at a cost of £3k, obviously a lot less than an engine, but would you expect these to fail, are they considered a consumable item?
I guess there could be two schools of thought, walk-away because some cars are just inherently problematic (not very scientific, I know), or feel assured because of the money already spent on it.
Pursyluv said:
Looking at a potential F Type purchase and have found a nice looking car, but before I commit I just wanted a bit of guidance/advice as I’m slightly uneasy about a couple of things.
Although not detailed in the advert the Indie selling it has told me that in the last six months the engine has been replaced at a cost of £22k, £17k of which was coughed up by the owner, it has about eight months of warranty and has only covered 600 miles since.
Also and slightly more worrying, 300 miles later it had six oxygen sensors and two catalysts replaced at a cost of £3k, obviously a lot less than an engine, but would you expect these to fail, are they considered a consumable item?
I guess there could be two schools of thought, walk-away because some cars are just inherently problematic (not very scientific, I know), or feel assured because of the money already spent on it.
I assume this is a V8 R you are talking about ? You also dont mention anything about the Cars mileage now and prior to the Engine failure nor do you mention the cause of the failure . When you talk about sensors and catalysts being consumables then my answer to that is no . What can happen however is that due to age and mileage covered items can sometimes fail . Personally I would be interested in how the original engine came to fail , to my mind it wasnt a manufacturing problem and more likely neglected maintenance . for example simply overfilling the engine with oil can cause the unit to fail . Was the car originally subject to a Leasing Agreement , has it been used on Trackdays ? Clearly I think you want much more information about the cars history. If it were me I would be walking away and looking elsewhere .Although not detailed in the advert the Indie selling it has told me that in the last six months the engine has been replaced at a cost of £22k, £17k of which was coughed up by the owner, it has about eight months of warranty and has only covered 600 miles since.
Also and slightly more worrying, 300 miles later it had six oxygen sensors and two catalysts replaced at a cost of £3k, obviously a lot less than an engine, but would you expect these to fail, are they considered a consumable item?
I guess there could be two schools of thought, walk-away because some cars are just inherently problematic (not very scientific, I know), or feel assured because of the money already spent on it.
Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 9th January 16:06
I'd expect the sensor and cat issues 300 miles after the engine change would be related to the engine change. That said, the fact it's only done another 300 miles since then would mean I'd walk away to be honest. If it'd done another 10k since the engine swap, I'd be a lot less concerned...
podman said:
If you feel the need to ask for reassurance about the car online, my gut would say walk away..
Well the car is exactly as I would have specified from new plus low mileage and low owners, so before I do walk away I just wondered if anyone on here might have had similar issues!Pursyluv said:
Well the car is exactly as I would have specified from new plus low mileage and low owners, so before I do walk away I just wondered if anyone on here might have had similar issues!
Of course you aren't going to find anyone on here with similar issues simply because this Forum isnt specialised enough in that way . You would have to go onto an F Type Forum or a more comprehensive Jaguar one and ask the same questions . Low mileages aren't an indicator of anything , £80 will alter the mileage of any F Type and for the first three years mileages are not officially recorded anyway . Low Ownership I certainly agree is a plus point . Ultimately and I talk from personal experience , Jaguar Sports Cars are very seductive things , very easily even the most astute amongst us see only what we want to see and that can prove fatal . Another factor I would also be considering is my exit strategy . An F type with an engine replacement is a less enticing prospect to most if not all buyers as inevitably they will be asking the same questions you are now . I think you have a bit more to do on this prospective purchase and a decision to be made at the end of it .reddiesel said:
Pursyluv said:
Well the car is exactly as I would have specified from new plus low mileage and low owners, so before I do walk away I just wondered if anyone on here might have had similar issues!
Of course you aren't going to find anyone on here with similar issues simply because this Forum isnt specialised enough in that way .reddiesel said:
I assume this is a V8 R you are talking about ? You also dont mention anything about the Cars mileage now and prior to the Engine failure nor do you mention the cause of the failure . When you talk about sensors and catalysts being consumables then my answer to that is no . What can happen however is that due to age and mileage covered items can sometimes fail . Personally I would be interested in how the original engine came to fail , to my mind it wasnt a manufacturing problem and more likely neglected maintenance . for example simply overfilling the engine with oil can cause the unit to fail . Was the car originally subject to a Leasing Agreement , has it been used on Trackdays ? Clearly I think you want much more information about the cars history. If it were me I would be walking away and looking elsewhere .
Manufacturing faults do happen on the V6 & V8. Rare yes, but they do happen. Edited by reddiesel on Sunday 9th January 16:06
fatboy b said:
Manufacturing faults do happen on the V6 & V8. Rare yes, but they do happen.
I realise that but owing to the amount of money stumped up by the Owner to replace the engine , its my humble opinion that in this particular case the Owner has failed to prove conclusively any manufacturing defect .reddiesel said:
I realise that but owing to the amount of money stumped up by the Owner to replace the engine , its my humble opinion that in this particular case the Owner has failed to prove conclusively any manufacturing defect .
You’re over thinking it. There’s a few reasons they’ll replace and not fix.- plastic coolant hose split or water pump giving up the ghost. ejecting all coolant. Damaging head(s),
- tensioners on early engines causing the chain(s) to jump a tooth. Valve interference damage.
- the issue I had. Tappet not hardened properly causing the valve to get pushed sideways as well as down. Knackers the head. V8s get repaired. V6s get replaced.
- ruptured oil cooler on an early V6 owing to its exposed location.
fatboy b said:
You’re over thinking it. There’s a few reasons they’ll replace and not fix.
- plastic coolant hose split or water pump giving up the ghost. ejecting all coolant. Damaging head(s),
- tensioners on early engines causing the chain(s) to jump a tooth. Valve interference damage.
- the issue I had. Tappet not hardened properly causing the valve to get pushed sideways as well as down. Knackers the head. V8s get repaired. V6s get replaced.
- ruptured oil cooler on an early V6 owing to its exposed location.
Sorry but I think its you overthinking things rather than I . In fact you have overthought to such an extent that your Post bears no relation to anything I have contributed ?????- plastic coolant hose split or water pump giving up the ghost. ejecting all coolant. Damaging head(s),
- tensioners on early engines causing the chain(s) to jump a tooth. Valve interference damage.
- the issue I had. Tappet not hardened properly causing the valve to get pushed sideways as well as down. Knackers the head. V8s get repaired. V6s get replaced.
- ruptured oil cooler on an early V6 owing to its exposed location.
If you care to read my Post again ( what is actually there and not what you think is there ) you will see that rather than discussing the merits of replacing as opposed to repairing , I instead mention the replacement cost and the proportion borne by the previous Owner in comparison to Jaguars contribution . Its my view that the previous Owner was unable to prove a manufacturing defect as regards the damaged engine and therefore was left with the lions share of the replacement cost . I make this conclusion purely based on my own Jaguar ownership and experience rather than any particular knowledge of the car in question . Hoping this clears matters up for you .
reddiesel said:
Sorry but I think its you overthinking things rather than I . In fact you have overthought to such an extent that your Post bears no relation to anything I have contributed ?????
If you care to read my Post again ( what is actually there and not what you think is there ) you will see that rather than discussing the merits of replacing as opposed to repairing , I instead mention the replacement cost and the proportion borne by the previous Owner in comparison to Jaguars contribution . Its my view that the previous Owner was unable to prove a manufacturing defect as regards the damaged engine and therefore was left with the lions share of the replacement cost . I make this conclusion purely based on my own Jaguar ownership and experience rather than any particular knowledge of the car in question . Hoping this clears matters up for you .
Fascinating view If you care to read my Post again ( what is actually there and not what you think is there ) you will see that rather than discussing the merits of replacing as opposed to repairing , I instead mention the replacement cost and the proportion borne by the previous Owner in comparison to Jaguars contribution . Its my view that the previous Owner was unable to prove a manufacturing defect as regards the damaged engine and therefore was left with the lions share of the replacement cost . I make this conclusion purely based on my own Jaguar ownership and experience rather than any particular knowledge of the car in question . Hoping this clears matters up for you .
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