XE/XF Petrols

[podman]

any real world feedback on 2.0 petrols MPG?

I'm considering at a 2019 250BHP 2L petrol XE or XF and would be interested to know what owners are getting.

I will be doing around 30k PA , mainly motorways.

Also, how does servicing compare to the 2.0 diesel models in terms of mileage schedules / cost etc?

I had a 2.0D XF for 6 months until June as a company car(was made redundant during furlough) and it was a great but im reading all manner of reliability issues around the engines, especially DPFs / throttle bodies which is making me look at the petrols.

[Dr Jekyll]

From a workmates experience. On mainly motorway runs high 30s, even over 40 perfectly achievable without dawdling. Otherwise on mainly open roads with a bit of town use mid 30s. Over 500 miles on a tank which is about 14 gallons.

[fatboy b]

Real world in my XFR-S 5.0 litre is about 23 over 10k miles. I don’t care what it is tbh, but it’s an 8-pot. A 4-pot isn’t a Jag.

[stumpage]

Dr Jekyll said:

From a workmates experience. On mainly motorway runs high 30s, even over 40 perfectly achievable without dawdling. Otherwise on mainly open roads with a bit of town use mid 30s. Over 500 miles on a tank which is about 14 gallons.

I have a 25t XF. This is pretty much what I get.

[Richard-D]

I'm interested in buying a 2.0 petrol XE.

As I understand it the early cars have the Ford Ecoboost engine and Jaguar moved to the ingenium in 2017? Is that also when the cars were fitted with a Gasoline Particulate Filter?

I'm not finding any horror stories about faults. I expect the occasional failure but is there anything major that's known to fail on the XEs?

[fatboy b]

Richard-D said:

I'm interested in buying a 2.0 petrol XE.

...... but is there anything major that's known to fail on the XEs?

Charisma

[Richard-D]

fatboy b said:

Real world in my XFR-S 5.0 litre is about 23 over 10k miles. I don’t care what it is tbh, but it’s an 8-pot. A 4-pot isn’t a Jag.

fatboy b said:

Charisma

If you think charisma is defined by what car you drive you really must be a pretty dull person. Do you have anything useful to add or do you only post inane crap?

[fatboy b]

Richard-D said:

fatboy b said:

Real world in my XFR-S 5.0 litre is about 23 over 10k miles. I don’t care what it is tbh, but it’s an 8-pot. A 4-pot isn’t a Jag.

fatboy b said:

Charisma

If you think charisma is defined by what car you drive you really must be a pretty dull person. Do you have anything useful to add or do you only post inane crap?

You're the one without a sense of humour and you're caling me dull.
XE has no charisma. Read my post - don't twist it idiot.

[Richard-D]

fatboy b said:

Richard-D said:

fatboy b said:

Real world in my XFR-S 5.0 litre is about 23 over 10k miles. I don’t care what it is tbh, but it’s an 8-pot. A 4-pot isn’t a Jag.

fatboy b said:

Charisma

If you think charisma is defined by what car you drive you really must be a pretty dull person. Do you have anything useful to add or do you only post inane crap?

You're the one without a sense of humour and you're caling me dull.
XE has no charisma. Read my post - don't twist it idiot.

As expected, nothing useful to say. Dull and useless then, great combo'.

[fatboy b]

Richard-D said:

As expected, nothing useful to say. Dull and useless then, great combo'.

Get over yourself!
I guess wanting to by an uninspiring XE with an obsolete in car entertainment system says much about you too. Good luck with it - youl'l need it.

[Richard-D]

fatboy b said:

Richard-D said:

As expected, nothing useful to say. Dull and useless then, great combo'.

Get over yourself!

Happy to. Do you have any info about the XE? There are plenty of parts that will be the same regardless of engine so faults with yours would be informative. You could choose to share that and potentially answer questions in the thread.

[craigjm]

A four pot is not a Jag? William Lyons was building four pot cars long before Ford came along and introduced its American configuration.

I know a few people with ingenium petrols and talk about mid 30s. Most of the gripes appear to be with interior tech, which is sorted pretty much in the new facelifts and corrosion and paint issues

[fatboy b]

Richard-D said:

fatboy b said:

Richard-D said:

As expected, nothing useful to say. Dull and useless then, great combo'.

Get over yourself!

Happy to. Do you have any info about the XE? There are plenty of parts that will be the same regardless of engine so faults with yours would be informative. You could choose to share that and potentially answer questions in the thread.

I know nothing about the 4-pots. If it has the non ICTP ICE (good chance) - then you're stuck with whatever it's doing - i.e. no more updates. Interiors are low-rent. Buttons start peeling the plastic coating off.

[fatboy b]

craigjm said:

A four pot is not a Jag? William Lyons was building four pot cars long before Ford came along and introduced its American configuration.

I know a few people with ingenium petrols and talk about mid 30s. Most of the gripes appear to be with interior tech, which is sorted pretty much in the new facelifts and corrosion and paint issues

But then the brand developed and became known for 6s & 12s, then later 8s it's market became established.

[Richard-D]

craigjm said:

A four pot is not a Jag? William Lyons was building four pot cars long before Ford came along and introduced its American configuration.

I know a few people with ingenium petrols and talk about mid 30s. Most of the gripes appear to be with interior tech, which is sorted pretty much in the new facelifts and corrosion and paint issues

I'm not too bothered about paint finish. I never notice orange peel/swirl marks etc until other people point them out. If it's poor enough to lead to cossosion issues however that's different. I'd hoped they'd moved on from the X-type's corrosion problems. Is it just cosmetic or are you aware of it progressing to structural? None of these cars should have any rust unless there's been accident damage, they're just too new.

[craigjm]

Richard-D said:

craigjm said:

A four pot is not a Jag? William Lyons was building four pot cars long before Ford came along and introduced its American configuration.

I know a few people with ingenium petrols and talk about mid 30s. Most of the gripes appear to be with interior tech, which is sorted pretty much in the new facelifts and corrosion and paint issues

I'm not too bothered about paint finish. I never notice orange peel/swirl marks etc until other people point them out. If it's poor enough to lead to cossosion issues however that's different. I'd hoped they'd moved on from the X-type's corrosion problems. Is it just cosmetic or are you aware of it progressing to structural? None of these cars should have any rust unless there's been accident damage, they're just too new.

It’s the undersides that suffer corrosion and you need to look at closely and protect. The XE isn’t the worst that’s reserved for the F-type where rear subframes are literally falling apart with rust after only 3-4 years

[Richard-D]

craigjm said:

Richard-D said:

craigjm said:

A four pot is not a Jag? William Lyons was building four pot cars long before Ford came along and introduced its American configuration.

I know a few people with ingenium petrols and talk about mid 30s. Most of the gripes appear to be with interior tech, which is sorted pretty much in the new facelifts and corrosion and paint issues

I'm not too bothered about paint finish. I never notice orange peel/swirl marks etc until other people point them out. If it's poor enough to lead to cossosion issues however that's different. I'd hoped they'd moved on from the X-type's corrosion problems. Is it just cosmetic or are you aware of it progressing to structural? None of these cars should have any rust unless there's been accident damage, they're just too new.

It’s the undersides that suffer corrosion and you need to look at closely and protect. The XE isn’t the worst that’s reserved for the F-type where rear subframes are literally falling apart with rust after only 3-4 years

That's not a good sign. I have been spoilt a bit by BMWs for the last few years. I have a 10 year old 330d at the moment. That has a couple of tiny marks from stone chips that have never spread. The underside is almost like new.

[craigjm]

Yes and you need to be aware that the reason why the F-type subframe issue is causing such a st storm in Europe is that the 6 year corrosion warranty does not cover it because the warranty only covers the body and therefore anything bolted to it is not covered.

[Richard-D]

Thank you for the heads up. I may have to rethink this purchase. I can cope with the occasional niggle but I don't expect to have to deal with rust any more. We should be past that point with modern cars.

[kiseca]

Richard-D said:

I'm interested in buying a 2.0 petrol XE.

As I understand it the early cars have the Ford Ecoboost engine and Jaguar moved to the ingenium in 2017? Is that also when the cars were fitted with a Gasoline Particulate Filter?

I'm not finding any horror stories about faults. I expect the occasional failure but is there anything major that's known to fail on the XEs?

I ran a 2016 240 for 2 years. That's the Ford engine. I haven't followed the forums since giving the car back but the general impression I got was that the Ford engined cars had the fewest problems. The diesels were always ingeniums and had random faults, and when the ingenium petrols were introduced they popped up with more problems than the Ford unit too. They were new units at the time. If you go for one that's just a year or two old, possilby they've resolved the new unit problems by now. Alternatively, the Ford engined cars (that's the early Petrol 4s and the V6s) seemed to be the most reliable.

Just an anecdote but in the two years I owned mine it never gave me any issues. Nothing squeaked nor rattled, it required no trips to the dealer for anything other than a regular service, I never had to restart it to reboot the entertainment system or clear a fault light. MPG was in the low to mid 30s overall according to the trip computer, and the majority of trips it did were short, and it was good to drive so I rarely drove it with economy in mind . I did a trip to Disneyland Paris in it but didn't bother to record the MPG for that trip unfortunately but it didn't bother me with fuel bills. For all that I got a car that was fun, communicative, comfortable and had a ride that nothing else in its class could match, and compared to the 3 series it felt a much more special place to sit with that low driving position, steeply raked screen and the bonnet bulge.

I'd have another in a heartbeat. My only regret was leasing it, because when the lease was up I really didn't want to give the car back. They are well specced, and the only extra I'd recommend is to get one with the Meridian sound system because the base one isn't up to the quality of the rest of the car. That would be an option on an R-sport or standard on a Portfolio (I had the latter).

Beautiful cars to drive that have their faults but have a depth of character that the equivalent 3 series and A4s can't imagine, and a ride that the Giulia can only dream of.