Talk me out of buying and XF (Heart over Head)
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Right, talk me out of buying this
69 plate, registered 30/11/19, 2.0 diesel Jaguar XF R-Sport, ex demonstrator with 5500 miles. Approx £25,000.
It is way more car than I need but I think it is gorgeous. I had been thinking about a BWM 1 Series but the more recent versions have been beaten to hell and back with the ugly stick. Yes I know you cannot see it when you are sitting in it.
I am 58, single and likely to retire in a couple of years. I currently run a 59 plate Ford Focus Style 1.8 petrol which will need replaced in the very near future. My car history is
Ford Fiesta MkII bought new and had for a year.
Ford Fiesta MkII bought new and had for 12 years.
TVR 400se, bought used and kept for 15 years.
Mitsubishi Carisma 1.6 bought as ex demonstrator and kept for 12 years.
Current car 59 plate Ford Focus 1.8 petrol Style bought as ex demonstrator.
As you can see I keep my cars for the long term. If I got the XF it would probably be my second last car.
The XF is almost twice as much as I have ever paid for a car. I could get a delivery mileage Focus 1.0 petrol for about £19,000.
Basic servicing, oil changes etc, I have done myself and I have been lucky that nothing major has needed doing other than the odd wheel bearing, tyres and springs. If I get the XF I assume it would need at least a gearbox oil change/service and a timing belt/chain at about 8 years ?
Living in central Scotland I would probably need to buy a set of winter wheels/tyres. My brother drives an Insignia with similar size wheels and says he has no problems but he might be helped as the Insignia is front wheel drive.
Use would be to commute, 12 miles each way takes about 22 minutes, on mostly country roads with no stop/start. I could do a 20 mile motorway detour a couple of times a week to keep the “DPF” happy. My elderly father is probably going to have to give up driving in the next couple of years so I would be doing some short journeys for him. Total annual mileage would be approx. 7000.
Is the XF likely to be any worse than any modern car when it comes to the electronics they all have?
69 plate, registered 30/11/19, 2.0 diesel Jaguar XF R-Sport, ex demonstrator with 5500 miles. Approx £25,000.
It is way more car than I need but I think it is gorgeous. I had been thinking about a BWM 1 Series but the more recent versions have been beaten to hell and back with the ugly stick. Yes I know you cannot see it when you are sitting in it.
I am 58, single and likely to retire in a couple of years. I currently run a 59 plate Ford Focus Style 1.8 petrol which will need replaced in the very near future. My car history is
Ford Fiesta MkII bought new and had for a year.
Ford Fiesta MkII bought new and had for 12 years.
TVR 400se, bought used and kept for 15 years.
Mitsubishi Carisma 1.6 bought as ex demonstrator and kept for 12 years.
Current car 59 plate Ford Focus 1.8 petrol Style bought as ex demonstrator.
As you can see I keep my cars for the long term. If I got the XF it would probably be my second last car.
The XF is almost twice as much as I have ever paid for a car. I could get a delivery mileage Focus 1.0 petrol for about £19,000.
Basic servicing, oil changes etc, I have done myself and I have been lucky that nothing major has needed doing other than the odd wheel bearing, tyres and springs. If I get the XF I assume it would need at least a gearbox oil change/service and a timing belt/chain at about 8 years ?
Living in central Scotland I would probably need to buy a set of winter wheels/tyres. My brother drives an Insignia with similar size wheels and says he has no problems but he might be helped as the Insignia is front wheel drive.
Use would be to commute, 12 miles each way takes about 22 minutes, on mostly country roads with no stop/start. I could do a 20 mile motorway detour a couple of times a week to keep the “DPF” happy. My elderly father is probably going to have to give up driving in the next couple of years so I would be doing some short journeys for him. Total annual mileage would be approx. 7000.
Is the XF likely to be any worse than any modern car when it comes to the electronics they all have?
Why do you want us to talk you out of it?
You're a petrolhead (clearly, otherwise you wouldn't be on here?)
It's your penultimate car
You'll be keeping it long term, so the financing of it is less of an issue.
You like it, obviously.
I assume you can comfortably afford it.
Life is too short to have a 1.0 Ford Focus as your penultimate car.
Get it bought.
You're a petrolhead (clearly, otherwise you wouldn't be on here?)
It's your penultimate car
You'll be keeping it long term, so the financing of it is less of an issue.
You like it, obviously.
I assume you can comfortably afford it.
Life is too short to have a 1.0 Ford Focus as your penultimate car.
Get it bought.
Great looking wheel and colour combo! Prefer a bit of chrome around the window myself.
Have you tried the 25T? I found it nicer to drive than the 2.0d
Mine is due to go back in 4 months and I am dreading the day as I have loved it, some little annoying faults which were dealt with quickly, but it is brilliant to drive for a big car. I really wanted to just order the same again but the BIK savings on a PHEV were too much to ignore, I even held out for the update to be launched hoping a PHEV would be in the facelift line up but alas no.
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So can't talk you out of it. Sorry
Have you tried the 25T? I found it nicer to drive than the 2.0d
Mine is due to go back in 4 months and I am dreading the day as I have loved it, some little annoying faults which were dealt with quickly, but it is brilliant to drive for a big car. I really wanted to just order the same again but the BIK savings on a PHEV were too much to ignore, I even held out for the update to be launched hoping a PHEV would be in the facelift line up but alas no.
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Edited by stumpage on Wednesday 11th November 16:44
If you like it, buy it. They’re ok cars I think. But not a patch on the original XF, but I am biased 
I’ve driven a few and they’re nothing special as a Jaguar should be. Combine that with panel gap issues and awful interiors on early ones they’re now an alternative to Audi and BMW. Also no halo model unlike the previous gen, but again I’m biased there as I have the halo model.
Summary: middle of the road euro-box. Nothing special. Awful back end.
7k a year is not diesel mileage. Go get a V8 while you can.
I’ve driven a few and they’re nothing special as a Jaguar should be. Combine that with panel gap issues and awful interiors on early ones they’re now an alternative to Audi and BMW. Also no halo model unlike the previous gen, but again I’m biased there as I have the halo model.
Summary: middle of the road euro-box. Nothing special. Awful back end.
7k a year is not diesel mileage. Go get a V8 while you can.
Edited by fatboy b on Wednesday 11th November 19:23
John Locke said:
What Fatboy B said; you will be surprised at how inexpensive the supercharged V8s are to run, and shocked at how they perform.
You’re right. I think diesels have recalibrated a lot of people’s minds for no reason. I fell for it too with a run of diesels. When I was mid-20s, my XR4x4 2.9 struggled to do 20mpg. The R-S I have now averages 24mpg over 10k miles. Given that a diesel may give you 10mpg more, then there’s no point given the crappy dpf stuff you have to go through these days. Even more no point on 7k miles a year. Just stupid if you buy a diesel on that mileage I’m afraid. One life. Enjoy it while able. I agree to go for a different model XF.
After 13 years or more with three S Type V8s (all thoroughly enjoyable by the way) I got an XF 5.0L V8 n/a. This model was the standard car for the USA market and not listed for the UK but available for special order. I think maybe 150 or so were sold here.
The car was originally owned by a Jaguar executive so it was fully loaded. Indeed, it was called a Studio model...somewhere beyond Portfolio I was told.! It was 380BHP and not being the supercharged model it wafted and performed just like you'd expect for a Jaguar. Just a gorgeous car. Only sold after 2 1/2 years because the wife wanted something with an armchair front seat, otherwise I will still have this XF.
You can still see the odd one or two listed in Autocar etc.
R.
After 13 years or more with three S Type V8s (all thoroughly enjoyable by the way) I got an XF 5.0L V8 n/a. This model was the standard car for the USA market and not listed for the UK but available for special order. I think maybe 150 or so were sold here.
The car was originally owned by a Jaguar executive so it was fully loaded. Indeed, it was called a Studio model...somewhere beyond Portfolio I was told.! It was 380BHP and not being the supercharged model it wafted and performed just like you'd expect for a Jaguar. Just a gorgeous car. Only sold after 2 1/2 years because the wife wanted something with an armchair front seat, otherwise I will still have this XF.
You can still see the odd one or two listed in Autocar etc.
R.
It depends on how long you intend to keep the XF for.
Once they get to 3+ years then you will experience the issues related to JLR's introduction of plastic components that fail at around this age. This issue relates to all of the current generation Jaguars and Land Rovers. Previous models use metal components that have a longer life. I
The XF also suffers from design faults whereby water collects within certain areas.
Once they get to 3+ years then you will experience the issues related to JLR's introduction of plastic components that fail at around this age. This issue relates to all of the current generation Jaguars and Land Rovers. Previous models use metal components that have a longer life. I
The XF also suffers from design faults whereby water collects within certain areas.
CellarDoor said:
It depends on how long you intend to keep the XF for.
Once they get to 3+ years then you will experience the issues related to JLR's introduction of plastic components that fail at around this age. This issue relates to all of the current generation Jaguars and Land Rovers. Previous models use metal components that have a longer life. I
The XF also suffers from design faults whereby water collects within certain areas.
Mines 6 years old in March and suffers no such faults.Once they get to 3+ years then you will experience the issues related to JLR's introduction of plastic components that fail at around this age. This issue relates to all of the current generation Jaguars and Land Rovers. Previous models use metal components that have a longer life. I
The XF also suffers from design faults whereby water collects within certain areas.
Mine is 8 years old and drives like new, with 35k miles. I tried the 2.2D but it sounded like a London cab, so went for the 3.0 petrol (not many miles nowadays). Totally love it. Drives great, very comfy and the V6 sounds really good. My only let down is the tech, but what can you expect for an 8 year old car.
Fitz666 said:
Mine is 8 years old and drives like new, with 35k miles. I tried the 2.2D but it sounded like a London cab, so went for the 3.0 petrol (not many miles nowadays). Totally love it. Drives great, very comfy and the V6 sounds really good. My only let down is the tech, but what can you expect for an 8 year old car.
I like the tech really. No stupid updates that can break it, it just works. My Mini Cooper seems to handle updates better than the later Jags I read about. I have an 8 year old XFR that I've owned since June 2018. I love it and cannot think what I'd replace it with. I also had an F80 M3 for a year until I sold it a few months ago. I've had many BMWs so I'm a self confessed BMW fan but when it came to it I kept the Jag and sold the BMW. The XFR just has something about it. And it's stupidly quick when you need it to be. The pick up at motorway speeds is ridiculous for a 2 tonne car.
If you are going to spend that money I'd say get an older XFR. The first generation XF is better built as well.
If you are going to spend that money I'd say get an older XFR. The first generation XF is better built as well.
LC23 said:
I have an 8 year old XFR that I've owned since June 2018. I love it and cannot think what I'd replace it with. I also had an F80 M3 for a year until I sold it a few months ago. I've had many BMWs so I'm a self confessed BMW fan but when it came to it I kept the Jag and sold the BMW. The XFR just has something about it. And it's stupidly quick when you need it to be. The pick up at motorway speeds is ridiculous for a 2 tonne car.
If you are going to spend that money I'd say get an older XFR. The first generation XF is better built as well.
Totally agree. The current Jag lineup is shambolic. If you are going to spend that money I'd say get an older XFR. The first generation XF is better built as well.
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