XFR buying advice please
Discussion
Hi All,
I'm new to the Jag forum.
I have decided to buy an XFR 5.0 supercharged model, I've looked at one i like, its a 2011 with 32k miles on the clock(apparently)- The lowish mileage being something i like about it and It runs beautifully according to the test drive i had looks very clean all round.
its got full dealer history, the guy has had it for about 4 years but one thing i noticed it has lots of services roughly every 6-7k intervals as documented in the book.
The last service was apparently a '75k service' done at about 31k.
Another aspect was noticeable scuff/wear on the outside edge of the drivers side seat(lower section) otherwise it is very clean inside.
not sure if this is common at that sort of mileage?
I have already run an HPI and it has come back with no mileage discrepancies or any other problems.
Can anybody offer any buying advice based on this, the last thing i want is to be victim of a clocked car. i don't have much knowledge about this but it is apparently quite common and could feasibly have been done prior to each of the services to keep the mileage down.
Just feeling a bit paranoid.
Many thanks
I'm new to the Jag forum.
I have decided to buy an XFR 5.0 supercharged model, I've looked at one i like, its a 2011 with 32k miles on the clock(apparently)- The lowish mileage being something i like about it and It runs beautifully according to the test drive i had looks very clean all round.
its got full dealer history, the guy has had it for about 4 years but one thing i noticed it has lots of services roughly every 6-7k intervals as documented in the book.
The last service was apparently a '75k service' done at about 31k.
Another aspect was noticeable scuff/wear on the outside edge of the drivers side seat(lower section) otherwise it is very clean inside.
not sure if this is common at that sort of mileage?
I have already run an HPI and it has come back with no mileage discrepancies or any other problems.
Can anybody offer any buying advice based on this, the last thing i want is to be victim of a clocked car. i don't have much knowledge about this but it is apparently quite common and could feasibly have been done prior to each of the services to keep the mileage down.
Just feeling a bit paranoid.
Many thanks
Thanks people good advice and like the PH guide makes me want one even more..
..i am a naturally very paranoid when it comes to buying and that applies to just about everything ..on many occasions it has turned out to be justified unfortunately.
Now for my positive side ...love the car amazing and want it:
Its obvious from speaking to the guy he doesn't use the car much(hence the reason for sale) he obviously has plenty of money and several vehicles and the annual services at 6 odd k intervals ties in.
I didn't check the MOTs but as said the HPI comes back right so whatever is on them would also tie in i assume.
The service handbook is only a small sized book with the mileages and dates hand written in but all receipts are there- i wonder can the dealer (Guy Salmon) provide a full verification if i asked?
Also, yep on the leather seat front i had the same thing on a monaro with 40 odd k so not uncommon. The owner is a very big guy also..so 4 years of him sliding in over it has probably taken its toll.
A whisker over 20£k for a 2011 with 32k on the clock on the face of it is i think reasonable.
..i am a naturally very paranoid when it comes to buying and that applies to just about everything ..on many occasions it has turned out to be justified unfortunately.
Now for my positive side ...love the car amazing and want it:
Its obvious from speaking to the guy he doesn't use the car much(hence the reason for sale) he obviously has plenty of money and several vehicles and the annual services at 6 odd k intervals ties in.
I didn't check the MOTs but as said the HPI comes back right so whatever is on them would also tie in i assume.
The service handbook is only a small sized book with the mileages and dates hand written in but all receipts are there- i wonder can the dealer (Guy Salmon) provide a full verification if i asked?
Also, yep on the leather seat front i had the same thing on a monaro with 40 odd k so not uncommon. The owner is a very big guy also..so 4 years of him sliding in over it has probably taken its toll.
A whisker over 20£k for a 2011 with 32k on the clock on the face of it is i think reasonable.
Did you make a note of the REG?
https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk
My 13 plate has just ticked over 40k and no sign of wear on the seat but as mentioned some people are more careful than others.
The engine in these is pretty bullet proof but check the coolant level. The water pumps can fail causing a coolant loss.
The solenoids in the door lock mechanism can fail. This means that any one of the doors can stay locked or scarily unlocked even if the central locking is used! To test for this lock the car and without the keys any where near the vehicle check all the doors. If one of them opens, and will inadvertently set the alarm off, then the lock will need replacing.
Also check the doors open from the inside.
Also check that all the windows go up and down all the way as the regulators can fail. This happened to me on my old 2008 car and when the window reaches the door frame the anti-trap kicked in and the window dropped back down!
Oh one last thing check that the rear camera works, if it has one, the number plate lights, and the boot itself. The boot wiring looms are a known problem where the wires can break over time.
https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk
My 13 plate has just ticked over 40k and no sign of wear on the seat but as mentioned some people are more careful than others.
The engine in these is pretty bullet proof but check the coolant level. The water pumps can fail causing a coolant loss.
The solenoids in the door lock mechanism can fail. This means that any one of the doors can stay locked or scarily unlocked even if the central locking is used! To test for this lock the car and without the keys any where near the vehicle check all the doors. If one of them opens, and will inadvertently set the alarm off, then the lock will need replacing.
Also check the doors open from the inside.
Also check that all the windows go up and down all the way as the regulators can fail. This happened to me on my old 2008 car and when the window reaches the door frame the anti-trap kicked in and the window dropped back down!
Oh one last thing check that the rear camera works, if it has one, the number plate lights, and the boot itself. The boot wiring looms are a known problem where the wires can break over time.
Edited by carlpea on Saturday 2nd July 21:38
Edited by carlpea on Saturday 2nd July 21:42
Thanks, very useful
I ran the MOT checker but it only references back to 2014. i.e 2014,2015 and 2016 for some reason?
So there is nothing showing any MOTs before 2014@ 20k odd miles.
The owner has only had the last 2 MOT certificates, the latest certificate records the last 3 MOTs with matching mileages as shown on the online checker.
I did go over the car and checked basic functions although not quite to the detail you mention. i will do this prior to finally clenching the deal.
Vnc
I ran the MOT checker but it only references back to 2014. i.e 2014,2015 and 2016 for some reason?
So there is nothing showing any MOTs before 2014@ 20k odd miles.
The owner has only had the last 2 MOT certificates, the latest certificate records the last 3 MOTs with matching mileages as shown on the online checker.
I did go over the car and checked basic functions although not quite to the detail you mention. i will do this prior to finally clenching the deal.
Vnc
verynicechap said:
Thanks, very useful
I ran the MOT checker but it only references back to 2014. i.e 2014,2015 and 2016 for some reason?
So there is nothing showing any MOTs before 2014@ 20k odd miles.
The owner has only had the last 2 MOT certificates, the latest certificate records the last 3 MOTs with matching mileages as shown on the online checker.
I did go over the car and checked basic functions although not quite to the detail you mention. i will do this prior to finally clenching the deal.
Vnc
It didn't need an MOT until it was 3 years old so won't been MOT'dI ran the MOT checker but it only references back to 2014. i.e 2014,2015 and 2016 for some reason?
So there is nothing showing any MOTs before 2014@ 20k odd miles.
The owner has only had the last 2 MOT certificates, the latest certificate records the last 3 MOTs with matching mileages as shown on the online checker.
I did go over the car and checked basic functions although not quite to the detail you mention. i will do this prior to finally clenching the deal.
Vnc
verynicechap said:
One other thing on service history:
It all looks good apart from one where there is a gap of approximately 14 months as opposed to what i believe should be 12 months. The mileage gap is only about 8k though.
Am i being too overcritical?
Yes It all looks good apart from one where there is a gap of approximately 14 months as opposed to what i believe should be 12 months. The mileage gap is only about 8k though.
Am i being too overcritical?
. I wouldn't worry about it considering the mileage.I work for Jaguar. The service intervals on the XFR is 15,000 miles / 1 year. So a car could be in for its first "15k" service having only done 2k for example. So in the case of the car you're buying, its 5 years old - 5x15=75. hence the last service being the "75k" service. So the history is spot on! : )
As above really, check windows and doors all work as they should (including keyless entry buttons on the exterior handles) and rear camera/number plate lights work.
Stick the wheels on a full lock and check the inside edges of the front tyres - XF's tend to wear on the insides first.
HTH
As above really, check windows and doors all work as they should (including keyless entry buttons on the exterior handles) and rear camera/number plate lights work.
Stick the wheels on a full lock and check the inside edges of the front tyres - XF's tend to wear on the insides first.
HTH
Thanks chaps, Yes figured that may be the case with service intervals. and all the above described work ok....but:
Picked the car up today as said ...but oh dear ..it all went wrong, at least that's what it seemed like at the time, as follows:
Car was fine when the owner picked me up, we did the paperwork ..i got in the car hit the start button...Nothing.
Air con and display screen on no probs. there tried again foot on brake etc...nothing, but then i see a 'low battery message come up on screen'. still trying to start but nothing.
'previous' owner comes out and after a few minutes of retrying it starts ..but the damned handbrake is now stuck on plus gearbox fault message come up.
By now i'm well p*ssed off
we find a solution on the internet that says disconnect battery, wait 30 second and reconnect. this works and i have got it home no problems on the way.
I've also restarted it since with no problems except there is no flashing of the Start/Stop button that i expected.
Weird!!! I am hoping its just a bad battery the owner said he'd never had anything like that before and offered to buy me a new battery. Its been in there at least 4 years as he says hes never replaced it and he has only done shortish journeys of late.
Only other prob. is the interior light come on at random now and again...minor in the grand scheme of things.
Picked the car up today as said ...but oh dear ..it all went wrong, at least that's what it seemed like at the time, as follows:
Car was fine when the owner picked me up, we did the paperwork ..i got in the car hit the start button...Nothing.
Air con and display screen on no probs. there tried again foot on brake etc...nothing, but then i see a 'low battery message come up on screen'. still trying to start but nothing.
'previous' owner comes out and after a few minutes of retrying it starts ..but the damned handbrake is now stuck on plus gearbox fault message come up.
By now i'm well p*ssed off
we find a solution on the internet that says disconnect battery, wait 30 second and reconnect. this works and i have got it home no problems on the way.
I've also restarted it since with no problems except there is no flashing of the Start/Stop button that i expected.
Weird!!! I am hoping its just a bad battery the owner said he'd never had anything like that before and offered to buy me a new battery. Its been in there at least 4 years as he says hes never replaced it and he has only done shortish journeys of late.
Only other prob. is the interior light come on at random now and again...minor in the grand scheme of things.
I have first edition XF 5.0 V8. As regards the interior light I have had the same problem as you and when I contacted my nearest JMD about this they said that there was a Jaguar fix for this, so when the car went in for service I mentioned this and it was fixed, no charge. No problem at all since then (2 years ago).
R.
R.
Thanks ..
I'm taking it out to a Jag specialist tomorrow for a checkup with a view to a new battery although i have just seen some interesting posts on forums that point to the brake pedal servo potentially being an problem so a firm pedal press is required to overcome it.
Tbh. i'm not entirely sure whether or not you need to depress the brake before you start do you, surely if its in 'Park' you don't?
Another possible reason mentioned was the length of time you depress the button, i.e quickly to operate radio etc..and hold down for 2 secs. to start.
Somebody else said that the battery regulator can also cause this problem, or if the battery is not fully charged.
All aside from these, what i hope are minor problems ...Jeez what a superb vehicle, very addictive to drive and brutally quick.
Looking forward to tomorrow's journey, if i can get it started that is.
I'm taking it out to a Jag specialist tomorrow for a checkup with a view to a new battery although i have just seen some interesting posts on forums that point to the brake pedal servo potentially being an problem so a firm pedal press is required to overcome it.
Tbh. i'm not entirely sure whether or not you need to depress the brake before you start do you, surely if its in 'Park' you don't?
Another possible reason mentioned was the length of time you depress the button, i.e quickly to operate radio etc..and hold down for 2 secs. to start.
Somebody else said that the battery regulator can also cause this problem, or if the battery is not fully charged.
All aside from these, what i hope are minor problems ...Jeez what a superb vehicle, very addictive to drive and brutally quick.
Looking forward to tomorrow's journey, if i can get it started that is.
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