Updating 2009 XKR 5.0 sat nav disc
Discussion
Hi folks,
Currently have the original sat nav discs in my 2009 5.0 XKR. The has been a lot of new road development round here (Central belt in Scotland) and the existing system keeps trying to send me in stupid directions / throwing a wobbly when I get on a new road.
My wife ordered an updated disc the other day for £25 or so ("Denso 2015 Map DVD B" it say on the front) and I just tried to load it. No dice sadly.
Sat nav screen says it cant read the disc. Am I missing something or have we just bought a duff disc in an effort to save some money?
When I put the old disc back in it reads it straight away so I'm guessing it is not simply that I need to leave the new disc in place for a while before the system has read it fully.
I actually quite like the system and don't really want to resort to using my phone or the Tom Tom thing we use for other cars.
Any suggestions / advice / suggestions to MTFU etc?
Thanks
TD
Currently have the original sat nav discs in my 2009 5.0 XKR. The has been a lot of new road development round here (Central belt in Scotland) and the existing system keeps trying to send me in stupid directions / throwing a wobbly when I get on a new road.
My wife ordered an updated disc the other day for £25 or so ("Denso 2015 Map DVD B" it say on the front) and I just tried to load it. No dice sadly.
Sat nav screen says it cant read the disc. Am I missing something or have we just bought a duff disc in an effort to save some money?
When I put the old disc back in it reads it straight away so I'm guessing it is not simply that I need to leave the new disc in place for a while before the system has read it fully.
I actually quite like the system and don't really want to resort to using my phone or the Tom Tom thing we use for other cars.
Any suggestions / advice / suggestions to MTFU etc?
Thanks
TD
Edited by TorqueDirty on Monday 15th February 14:17
You've bought a dodgy copied disc which doesn't work. The official ones are available from here - http://jaguar.navigation.com/product/Catalog/Catal... - For £171.
ETA - Once you get a working disc (whether you choose to cough up for a genuine one or try another copy from somewhere else), you insert the disc and then switch on the ignition, the car will recognise that the disc has changed and that there's newer navigation software on it. It'll ask you to confirm you want to do the update, which can take up to about 10 minutes or so. You should ideally stay stationary while it's doing this but you might want to have the engine running to prevent the car shutting down electrical systems to preserve the battery.
ETA - Once you get a working disc (whether you choose to cough up for a genuine one or try another copy from somewhere else), you insert the disc and then switch on the ignition, the car will recognise that the disc has changed and that there's newer navigation software on it. It'll ask you to confirm you want to do the update, which can take up to about 10 minutes or so. You should ideally stay stationary while it's doing this but you might want to have the engine running to prevent the car shutting down electrical systems to preserve the battery.
Edited by 8bit on Monday 15th February 13:17
TorqueDirty said:
Thanks 8bit. As I suspected!
£171 for the genuine Jag discs is a bit eye watering though!
I may have to relax my Sat Nav requirements based on that.
Yes it is but I'm sure they've gotten cheaper - I bought my 2008 car in 2013 and upgraded to the latest available discs at the time, I'm sure I was north of £200 for the discs I bought. I've never used stand-alone systems like TomTom or Garmin, not sure how the prices stack up against integrated systems. I guess you could try and sell your existing disc(s) on eBay to offset the costs of the new ones a bit, I might try that with mine.£171 for the genuine Jag discs is a bit eye watering though!
I may have to relax my Sat Nav requirements based on that.
I have upgraded my XJR to the 2012 maps which are the last available. I only did it as I like to have the jag nav in reserve in case of tomtom failure. So even the latest maps are 4 years out of date so you are never going to get good routing.
Jag Nav is really one of the worst out there, it was very poor when new and updating maps wont improve it. Ive tried running the same destination in my tomtom and Jag, tomtom routes are better and its much more user friendly. But the biggest bonus - tomtom HD traffic. I drive a lot and it saves me hours by avoiding traffic jams and accidents.
Jag Nav is really one of the worst out there, it was very poor when new and updating maps wont improve it. Ive tried running the same destination in my tomtom and Jag, tomtom routes are better and its much more user friendly. But the biggest bonus - tomtom HD traffic. I drive a lot and it saves me hours by avoiding traffic jams and accidents.
Dodsy said:
I have upgraded my XJR to the 2012 maps which are the last available. I only did it as I like to have the jag nav in reserve in case of tomtom failure. So even the latest maps are 4 years out of date so you are never going to get good routing.
Jag Nav is really one of the worst out there, it was very poor when new and updating maps wont improve it. Ive tried running the same destination in my tomtom and Jag, tomtom routes are better and its much more user friendly. But the biggest bonus - tomtom HD traffic. I drive a lot and it saves me hours by avoiding traffic jams and accidents.
Hmm, that is useful info. Thanks.Jag Nav is really one of the worst out there, it was very poor when new and updating maps wont improve it. Ive tried running the same destination in my tomtom and Jag, tomtom routes are better and its much more user friendly. But the biggest bonus - tomtom HD traffic. I drive a lot and it saves me hours by avoiding traffic jams and accidents.
I feel silly even asking this but I don't suppose there is a relatively straight forward way of integrating an alternative satnav in to the car so that it uses the same screen and buttons? Or is that the same as putting in a new disc from a non jag source (assuming that it actually works?). I'm guessing Jag will have deliberately engineered the system only to take their extortionate disc right?
TD
TorqueDirty said:
Hmm, that is useful info. Thanks.
I feel silly even asking this but I don't suppose there is a relatively straight forward way of integrating an alternative satnav in to the car so that it uses the same screen and buttons? Or is that the same as putting in a new disc from a non jag source (assuming that it actually works?). I'm guessing Jag will have deliberately engineered the system only to take their extortionate disc right?
TD
You cant use any other disc but my cheapo one worked fine :-)I feel silly even asking this but I don't suppose there is a relatively straight forward way of integrating an alternative satnav in to the car so that it uses the same screen and buttons? Or is that the same as putting in a new disc from a non jag source (assuming that it actually works?). I'm guessing Jag will have deliberately engineered the system only to take their extortionate disc right?
TD
A few people have installed different units to replace the Jag one, but its not an easy job, take a look at the current 'hacking the touchscreen' thread here http://www.jaguarforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32
You need to be on that forum anyway as they have loads of good advice and can save you £££'s on diagnostics.
Never seen an alternative system installed in an X150. It's not just a navigation system on these cars, a lot of other stuff is integrated into it as well, like some of the climate control, the stereo, car configuration, trip computers etc. It has been done on older X100 XKs/XKRs and other models with similar, previous navigation units though.
Personally, I find it works fine. The system in the X150s does have that feature that gets traffic updates over the air and will offer to reroute if it picks up alerts of incidents or heaving traffic along the route you're taking. You get a choice of three routes and can do options like avoiding toll roads etc. If it's kept up to date then it works perfectly well, yes it's not as fancy as those in the likes of BMW or Audi but then the rest of the car is so much better.
Personally, I find it works fine. The system in the X150s does have that feature that gets traffic updates over the air and will offer to reroute if it picks up alerts of incidents or heaving traffic along the route you're taking. You get a choice of three routes and can do options like avoiding toll roads etc. If it's kept up to date then it works perfectly well, yes it's not as fancy as those in the likes of BMW or Audi but then the rest of the car is so much better.
8bit said:
Never seen an alternative system installed in an X150. It's not just a navigation system on these cars, a lot of other stuff is integrated into it as well, like some of the climate control, the stereo, car configuration, trip computers etc. It has been done on older X100 XKs/XKRs and other models with similar, previous navigation units though.
Personally, I find it works fine. The system in the X150s does have that feature that gets traffic updates over the air and will offer to reroute if it picks up alerts of incidents or heaving traffic along the route you're taking. You get a choice of three routes and can do options like avoiding toll roads etc. If it's kept up to date then it works perfectly well, yes it's not as fancy as those in the likes of BMW or Audi but then the rest of the car is so much better.
Aha must be the later version of the Jag Satnav in the X150 then. Its still the same system as my XJR but with added traffic updates. Still horrible though by modern standards. I had a brand new latest model XJ to borrow last year and the Satnav was still the same as my old X350 XJR just with added traffic and a higher def display.Personally, I find it works fine. The system in the X150s does have that feature that gets traffic updates over the air and will offer to reroute if it picks up alerts of incidents or heaving traffic along the route you're taking. You get a choice of three routes and can do options like avoiding toll roads etc. If it's kept up to date then it works perfectly well, yes it's not as fancy as those in the likes of BMW or Audi but then the rest of the car is so much better.
Dodsy said:
I have upgraded my XJR to the 2012 maps which are the last available. I only did it as I like to have the jag nav in reserve in case of tomtom failure. So even the latest maps are 4 years out of date so you are never going to get good routing.
Jag Nav is really one of the worst out there, it was very poor when new and updating maps wont improve it. Ive tried running the same destination in my tomtom and Jag, tomtom routes are better and its much more user friendly. But the biggest bonus - tomtom HD traffic. I drive a lot and it saves me hours by avoiding traffic jams and accidents.
Where did you get the disc can I ask.Jag Nav is really one of the worst out there, it was very poor when new and updating maps wont improve it. Ive tried running the same destination in my tomtom and Jag, tomtom routes are better and its much more user friendly. But the biggest bonus - tomtom HD traffic. I drive a lot and it saves me hours by avoiding traffic jams and accidents.
l80ous said:
Where did you get the disc can I ask.
I bought it from a member of the Jag forum - he had bought it from ebay to use in his Jag but I think he sold the car shortly afterwards.My old XJ8 I bought a disc from ebay and it worked fine but I did pay more and got a genuine Jag disc.
You can get genuine copies from ebay usually around the £50+ mark, its worth hunting them out. Knock offs are cheaper of course. The big issue with the Jag is that the DVD player is old school so not designed to read the home burned disks. They can work if the person burning the disk did it at low speed, but discs burned at high sped wont work (for lots of technical reasons that are very boring).
I suspect you've got a knock off disc thats been burned at high speed so it wont work.
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