F Type Coupe V6S Discount
Discussion
Hi All,
I'm about to jump ship from an Aston V8S Vantage Coupe and am pretty sure i'm going for an F Type Coupe V6S. Various reasons, although a key one is that the Aston is long in the tooth now and i'm getting out before the replacement gets announced and the values get a kicking. It's been great owning one (and I will go back), but now I fancy something a bit different.
I'm not one for buying new to be honest as I prefer someone else to get kicked in the balls instead of me. However, that said I've just been offered a 10% discount on a factory order without even haggling. Now I know that everybody gets a discount (probably) so this is reflected in used values (i'm coming Aston, the king of discounting), however I just wondered what sort of discounts others have seen on factory orders.
Some will wonder why I'm not going for the V8 based on what i've come from. The simple answer is I've driven both the V6S and the V8, and I think there's more value in the V6 (personal opinion).
Just wondered what kind of discounts anyone else had managed to get on a decent (not crazy) spec V6S Coupe.
I'm about to jump ship from an Aston V8S Vantage Coupe and am pretty sure i'm going for an F Type Coupe V6S. Various reasons, although a key one is that the Aston is long in the tooth now and i'm getting out before the replacement gets announced and the values get a kicking. It's been great owning one (and I will go back), but now I fancy something a bit different.
I'm not one for buying new to be honest as I prefer someone else to get kicked in the balls instead of me. However, that said I've just been offered a 10% discount on a factory order without even haggling. Now I know that everybody gets a discount (probably) so this is reflected in used values (i'm coming Aston, the king of discounting), however I just wondered what sort of discounts others have seen on factory orders.
Some will wonder why I'm not going for the V8 based on what i've come from. The simple answer is I've driven both the V6S and the V8, and I think there's more value in the V6 (personal opinion).
Just wondered what kind of discounts anyone else had managed to get on a decent (not crazy) spec V6S Coupe.
The discounts are silly levels......I really feel for any poor sod that bought one at or around list.........they will have been rinsed.
Lets be honest, when you can "probably" get a good 15% off new, it means that used needs to be considerably less than that for most people to go used over new.
I can understand it with Aston as they're selling an older product, however I don't expect to see the same levels of discount when the new range is released.....not for a fair while anyway.
It just totally distorts the market.
Lets be honest, when you can "probably" get a good 15% off new, it means that used needs to be considerably less than that for most people to go used over new.
I can understand it with Aston as they're selling an older product, however I don't expect to see the same levels of discount when the new range is released.....not for a fair while anyway.
It just totally distorts the market.
Jag know they can command a premium for a while with new cars, so set the prices artificially high. Then when things settle down, they discount them to make it look like you're getting a good deal.
when I bought my XF, they offered £10k off (well I beat them a little too). But at the time you could also get £20k off of an XFR.
when I bought my XF, they offered £10k off (well I beat them a little too). But at the time you could also get £20k off of an XFR.
From what I'm seeing you could have negotiated more or less the same price on a factory order give or take a grand.
I know that historically Jags have always been hammered on the depreciation front, and unfortunately this still seems to be the case. It's a shame as it's obviously a cracking product. They seriously need to stop the discounting though, as 10-12% is ridiculous and just destroys the value.
I know that historically Jags have always been hammered on the depreciation front, and unfortunately this still seems to be the case. It's a shame as it's obviously a cracking product. They seriously need to stop the discounting though, as 10-12% is ridiculous and just destroys the value.
esso said:
I recently bought a `pre-owned` V6S Coupe...14 plate with 5300 miles on with 7k of options on it for 14.5k less than a new one at the same spec.
Sorry....in the interest of clarity are you saying that you got it for 14.5k under BASE car retail including the 7k of extras, or that you got it for 14.5k off the RRP (61k + 7k = £68k - £14.5k.........£53.5) ?Make sense ?
I think I done ok with mine. I paid more or less list as mine was one of the first cars made. I sold it after 12 months for around £7500 less than I paid, not brilliant for a new model that got glowing reviews but not too bad. I think Jaguar would need to limit the supply of their cars to improve residuals, they flooded the market with convertibles and the prices got absolute hammered, the coupe hasn't been as bad but still not great. Some of their recent pricing has been very ambitious to say the least.
Have to agree regarding ambitious pricing.
Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
Big Ry said:
esso said:
I recently bought a `pre-owned` V6S Coupe...14 plate with 5300 miles on with 7k of options on it for 14.5k less than a new one at the same spec.
Sorry....in the interest of clarity are you saying that you got it for 14.5k under BASE car retail including the 7k of extras, or that you got it for 14.5k off the RRP (61k + 7k = £68k - £14.5k.........£53.5) ?Make sense ?
Big Ry said:
Have to agree regarding ambitious pricing.
Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
I don`t know how long you have been looking at the market for F-Types but I watched it for about a year before buying mine. There seems to be a lot of V8 cars on the market and pre-owned V8 convertibles have dropped in price significantly, also the price of base V6 especially the convertible has come down. However the V6S cars seem to be holding strong money, when I bought mine I couldn`t find a car of the same spec any cheaper.Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
esso said:
Big Ry said:
esso said:
I recently bought a `pre-owned` V6S Coupe...14 plate with 5300 miles on with 7k of options on it for 14.5k less than a new one at the same spec.
Sorry....in the interest of clarity are you saying that you got it for 14.5k under BASE car retail including the 7k of extras, or that you got it for 14.5k off the RRP (61k + 7k = £68k - £14.5k.........£53.5) ?Make sense ?
14.5k under BASE car retail including the 7k of extras
or
14.5k off the RRP (61k + 7k = £68k - £14.5k.........£53.5
Big Ry said:
Hi All,
I'm about to jump ship from an Aston V8S Vantage Coupe and am pretty sure i'm going for an F Type Coupe V6S. Various reasons, although a key one is that the Aston is long in the tooth now and i'm getting out before the replacement gets announced and the values get a kicking. It's been great owning one (and I will go back), but now I fancy something a bit different.
I'm not one for buying new to be honest as I prefer someone else to get kicked in the balls instead of me. However, that said I've just been offered a 10% discount on a factory order without even haggling. Now I know that everybody gets a discount (probably) so this is reflected in used values (i'm coming Aston, the king of discounting), however I just wondered what sort of discounts others have seen on factory orders.
Some will wonder why I'm not going for the V8 based on what i've come from. The simple answer is I've driven both the V6S and the V8, and I think there's more value in the V6 (personal opinion).
Just wondered what kind of discounts anyone else had managed to get on a decent (not crazy) spec V6S Coupe.
How do you feel the car compares?I'm about to jump ship from an Aston V8S Vantage Coupe and am pretty sure i'm going for an F Type Coupe V6S. Various reasons, although a key one is that the Aston is long in the tooth now and i'm getting out before the replacement gets announced and the values get a kicking. It's been great owning one (and I will go back), but now I fancy something a bit different.
I'm not one for buying new to be honest as I prefer someone else to get kicked in the balls instead of me. However, that said I've just been offered a 10% discount on a factory order without even haggling. Now I know that everybody gets a discount (probably) so this is reflected in used values (i'm coming Aston, the king of discounting), however I just wondered what sort of discounts others have seen on factory orders.
Some will wonder why I'm not going for the V8 based on what i've come from. The simple answer is I've driven both the V6S and the V8, and I think there's more value in the V6 (personal opinion).
Just wondered what kind of discounts anyone else had managed to get on a decent (not crazy) spec V6S Coupe.
Big Ry said:
Have to agree regarding ambitious pricing.
Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
Not being funny, but you're comparing the price of two limited edition (just try ordering a GT4…) cars with one that can be ordered at will. Additionally, if you're ordering a 'full spec' V8, the salesman clearly saw you coming from some way off...Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
Big Ry said:
Have to agree regarding ambitious pricing.
Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
Hmm. I dont own any of these makes of car but looking at them purely as pieces of engineering I wouldnt see the differences that youy see. Indeed I would rate the F type as a better car than the Vantage or the Cayman and therefore worth more. But I accept that Jaguar are devaluing their brand by over producing and therefore discounting.Not being funny, but a full spec V8 is not worth anywhere near £100k in my book....£80 at an absolute push. At that level you're competing against Astons and 911's, and whilst i'm not saying that the Jag isn't a fantastic product, in the market it's not at the same level as Aston or Porsche. I'm not saying it shouldn't be, i'm just pointing out that it isn't.
Poeple I know who bought 911's GT3's all sold well above list, and a mate has just sold his Cayman GT4 for 30k more than list.......you'll never get that with a Jag regardless of what it is. The market perception is that they're overpriced and will plummet.......and unfortunately that's ringing true....for the moment at least.
Leaving aside brand image would you not say that the F tyoe V8 was a better car than the 8 year olf 430 that would cost much the same? I would.
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