Peugeot DIESEL in a Jaguar ????????? (huh?)
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Please forgive me if this has already been posted or beaten to death, but i just heard the news about Peugeot "building the finest diesel in the world" and with plans to sell them now to Ford/Jaguar for use in Jaguar automobiles?????? Are they kidding???
The diesel is supposedly a 6-cyl turbo with 250-hp. With diesel fuel in the US at $2.00 a gal, exactly the same as the mid level gasoline alternatives at the pump, that really makes a smelly lot of sense. More money for a heavy, smelly, vibration prone, noisy, slug of a motor in a thoroughbred luxury car from UK, with a FRENCH motor.
The idea sounds positively stupid to me in the first place, but when the US market finds out the Jaguar has a motor from France, there "will" be a lot of people who will "NOT" buy one for "other" reasons which we don't need to delve into here.
regards,
Dogsharks
The diesel is supposedly a 6-cyl turbo with 250-hp. With diesel fuel in the US at $2.00 a gal, exactly the same as the mid level gasoline alternatives at the pump, that really makes a smelly lot of sense. More money for a heavy, smelly, vibration prone, noisy, slug of a motor in a thoroughbred luxury car from UK, with a FRENCH motor.
The idea sounds positively stupid to me in the first place, but when the US market finds out the Jaguar has a motor from France, there "will" be a lot of people who will "NOT" buy one for "other" reasons which we don't need to delve into here.
regards,
Dogsharks
It's already happened mate.
I believe that the Twin Turbo engine released here a while ago in the S-type is from PSA.
I think it's also going in the Range Rover
Anyway, I still say that X and S type arn't "proper Jag's", so it's no worse than the re-bodied Mondao we already get
Pete
btw. Who wants a Diesel in the states anyway, I was told last week that you can't even buy a Diesel Landy over there??!!
I believe that the Twin Turbo engine released here a while ago in the S-type is from PSA.
I think it's also going in the Range Rover
Anyway, I still say that X and S type arn't "proper Jag's", so it's no worse than the re-bodied Mondao we already get
Pete
btw. Who wants a Diesel in the states anyway, I was told last week that you can't even buy a Diesel Landy over there??!!
I don't think you can buy diesel "much of anything" here in the US. The XC90 Volvo is popular in other countries with a diesel, but they're not selling here.
I noticed the price of gas was dead equal with diesel the other day at the pump, and that takes away "the main argument" for a diesel in the first place (economy).
With gasoline powered cars able to go 300,000 miles, I'd shudder to think (pun intended)what it would be like driving a diesel that far. I know people who have even run the 4-cylinder 944 motors that far before the head had to come off. Who needs a diesel, anyway???
The mere thought of putting a motor made in France, into a premium offering from UK just stinks any way you try to spin it. What do people in GB think about it, to they think a diesel Jag is cool, do they have fond feelings for products made in France, what's the scoop?
I don't like the cross-contamination of the breed. I think it's based on the same kind of greed we've seen in the past that is intended to make the executive look good on paper, but in no way furthers the viability or heritage of the marque.
Dogsharks
I noticed the price of gas was dead equal with diesel the other day at the pump, and that takes away "the main argument" for a diesel in the first place (economy).
With gasoline powered cars able to go 300,000 miles, I'd shudder to think (pun intended)what it would be like driving a diesel that far. I know people who have even run the 4-cylinder 944 motors that far before the head had to come off. Who needs a diesel, anyway???
The mere thought of putting a motor made in France, into a premium offering from UK just stinks any way you try to spin it. What do people in GB think about it, to they think a diesel Jag is cool, do they have fond feelings for products made in France, what's the scoop?
I don't like the cross-contamination of the breed. I think it's based on the same kind of greed we've seen in the past that is intended to make the executive look good on paper, but in no way furthers the viability or heritage of the marque.
Dogsharks
Dogshark and Pete,
I drive a x type 2.5 petrol(gas) in the UK. But I'm now in the minority when it comes to recent x type sales, mostly the 2.0 litre diesel (Ford diesel), it does 50mpg against my petrol 25 mpg and we're paying the equivalent of nearly $7 for a gallon. The S type diesel is selling well and yes it has a new generation 2.7 litre twin turbo engine made by (PSA group, FRENCH)will do over 140mph has more torque than the 4.2 petrol and is very quiet and refined, in overtaking speeds 50-70 it will out accelerate an XKR. It will soon appear in the XJ range and hopefully that will sell more. If jaguar don't put diesels in their cars you'll have no jaguar to buy in a couple of years.
In some European countries France, Germany and Italy 60-80% of sales are diesel! In the Uk diesels now account for 33% of all car sales.
Jaguar were the last premium brand (Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo etc) to go diesel but in doing so
sales of x types, s types have stalled and even the recently introduced XJ needs that diesel and soon.
If the price of oil keeps over $50 and the US has to start paying at the filling station realistic prices the same as the rest of us, then the big boys will bring the diesels in.
I note you bring up the old mondeo line, the facts
from the factory less than 18% of an x type has mondeo parts, as against the s type which has 42% parts of a Lincoln. Fords permium brand Aston Martin use ford parts, nobody questions that an Audi TT is a VW Golf in drag, its modern car economics!The x TYPE is built at a price, jaguar do not sell enough cars (125,000 globally last year)to justify all parts been built in house, if they did the price of the car would be in Aston Martin price terrority, and most current Jaguar owners couldn't afford the benefit of owning a jag!
>> Edited by dominicf on Monday 25th October 12:55
I drive a x type 2.5 petrol(gas) in the UK. But I'm now in the minority when it comes to recent x type sales, mostly the 2.0 litre diesel (Ford diesel), it does 50mpg against my petrol 25 mpg and we're paying the equivalent of nearly $7 for a gallon. The S type diesel is selling well and yes it has a new generation 2.7 litre twin turbo engine made by (PSA group, FRENCH)will do over 140mph has more torque than the 4.2 petrol and is very quiet and refined, in overtaking speeds 50-70 it will out accelerate an XKR. It will soon appear in the XJ range and hopefully that will sell more. If jaguar don't put diesels in their cars you'll have no jaguar to buy in a couple of years.
In some European countries France, Germany and Italy 60-80% of sales are diesel! In the Uk diesels now account for 33% of all car sales.
Jaguar were the last premium brand (Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Volvo etc) to go diesel but in doing so
sales of x types, s types have stalled and even the recently introduced XJ needs that diesel and soon.
If the price of oil keeps over $50 and the US has to start paying at the filling station realistic prices the same as the rest of us, then the big boys will bring the diesels in.
I note you bring up the old mondeo line, the facts
from the factory less than 18% of an x type has mondeo parts, as against the s type which has 42% parts of a Lincoln. Fords permium brand Aston Martin use ford parts, nobody questions that an Audi TT is a VW Golf in drag, its modern car economics!The x TYPE is built at a price, jaguar do not sell enough cars (125,000 globally last year)to justify all parts been built in house, if they did the price of the car would be in Aston Martin price terrority, and most current Jaguar owners couldn't afford the benefit of owning a jag!
>> Edited by dominicf on Monday 25th October 12:55
The diesel Jag is an exceptional car. The engine is a joint development between Ford (predominantly Jaguar and Land Rover Engineers) and the renouned diesel experts from PSA. The engine they have created is exceptionally refined and is well suited to the products S-Type (bi turbo power and torque focused) and Land Rover Discovery (single turbo torque delivery focused). All I can say is that people who run down these vehicles have quite clearly have never tried a modern diesel.
My old mans Merc 320CDi will outperform the majority of petrol competitors and do it while returning 47 mpg.
Will do 60mph in 8.5 seconds and not stop accelerating till it hits its limiter.
With 60-70% of the Euro Saloon market burning the heavy stuff it is a fundamental underpinning for global car businesses.
My old mans Merc 320CDi will outperform the majority of petrol competitors and do it while returning 47 mpg.
Will do 60mph in 8.5 seconds and not stop accelerating till it hits its limiter.
With 60-70% of the Euro Saloon market burning the heavy stuff it is a fundamental underpinning for global car businesses.
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