R-Coupe, F-Type and other new models...
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Not being a Jaguar expert by any means, I was wondering if any of you knew what Jaguar have planned for release around the years 2006/2007 to compete with the likes of Aston Martin, Ferrari etc. I have a letter of intent for an AMV8 but should an R-coupe or even an F-Type (the concept from a couple of years ago with the high positioned 'wing' mirrors) come up sooner then these would be very tempting stop gaps! What about the replacement XK8/XKR? Is there any pictures someone could link me to? Any news at all would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
The R-Coupe was only a concept and never intended for production.
The F-Type is a troubled project started, stopped and restarted many times since the 80s. The car you are talking about was a concept from around 2000 when there was a serious push to productionize it. Since then Jaguar have tried to change it into a mid-engined Boxter lookalike, then ditched, have now reconsidered and decided it should be front engined adn then gone very quiet.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but there is no chance anything will be launched before the AMV8.
The F-Type is a troubled project started, stopped and restarted many times since the 80s. The car you are talking about was a concept from around 2000 when there was a serious push to productionize it. Since then Jaguar have tried to change it into a mid-engined Boxter lookalike, then ditched, have now reconsidered and decided it should be front engined adn then gone very quiet.
Sorry to dissapoint you, but there is no chance anything will be launched before the AMV8.
This is only an artists impression and a spy picture of the next xk
www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7304&sid=178&n=158
www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7304&sid=178&n=158
This is only an artists impression and a spy picture of the next xk
www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7304&sid=178&n=158
www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7304&sid=178&n=158
New XK is due for next year.
F-Type sadly was canceled, there was talk about it appearing again. But the later drawings were not that promissing as the Detroit Prototype was.
I had the F-Type on order (in its first version) after it was clear that it was a no go I went for the Griffith - in my opinion the real modern successor of a XK 120 OTS or series 1 E-Type OTS.
I am sure someone knows more.
Sad that Ford is so busy creating Jaguar Estates and Diesels that they all forget about creating real Jaguars.
What would have been the problem doing the XK180, a great looking XK8 based, just 2 seats, much less weight, good looking and enough power out of their standard engines (Diesel is a no no of course).
I would have forgiven them the F-Type disaster.
But, but, but,......
F-Type sadly was canceled, there was talk about it appearing again. But the later drawings were not that promissing as the Detroit Prototype was.
I had the F-Type on order (in its first version) after it was clear that it was a no go I went for the Griffith - in my opinion the real modern successor of a XK 120 OTS or series 1 E-Type OTS.
I am sure someone knows more.
Sad that Ford is so busy creating Jaguar Estates and Diesels that they all forget about creating real Jaguars.
What would have been the problem doing the XK180, a great looking XK8 based, just 2 seats, much less weight, good looking and enough power out of their standard engines (Diesel is a no no of course).
I would have forgiven them the F-Type disaster.
But, but, but,......
Griffithy said:
Sad that Ford is so busy creating Jaguar Estates and Diesels that they all forget about creating real Jaguars.
...but it's keep the company in the black, so they can create "real Jaguars"...
Amazing that when BMW started making estates and diesels no one moaned…
… what do you expect Ford / Jaguar to do..? Miss out on one the most sizeable, growing markets in the automotive sector..?Podie said:
Amazing that when BMW started making estates and diesels no one moaned…
Podie, I know what you mean.
If we wouldn´t mind what cars we drive we both would possibly drive an MX5 and not a TVR.
And that is exactly what I mean, because I would never like a BMW because it is seen on every corner and everybody who doesn´t care drives one.
And I am a real Jaguar enthusiast and I don´t want that everyone who really doesn´t care drives Jaguar, because its cheap, easy to get or a Diesel etc.
Ford is doing well in keeping Jaguar running, but we enthusiasts have to pay the bill.
Because we lose exactly what we loved of the marque:
Power Grace and Pace.
Of course Ford likes to make Jaguar a worldplayer,
as more they produce as more the chairmans get paid in their office tower.
Again TVR shows us that there is also room for smaller car producers with a tendency to produce cars with soul.
Sorry, but it really hurts me badly seeing Jaguar diesel taxis nowadays.
Martin
Griffithy said:
Amazing that when BMW started making estates and diesels no one moaned…
Podie, I know what you mean.
If we wouldn´t mind what cars we drive we both would possibly drive an MX5 and not a TVR.
And that is exactly what I mean, because I would never like a BMW because it is seen on every corner and everybody who doesn´t care drives one.
And I am a real Jaguar enthusiast and I don´t want that everyone who really doesn´t care drives Jaguar, because its cheap, easy to get or a Diesel etc.
Ford is doing well in keeping Jaguar running, but we enthusiasts have to pay the bill.
Because we lose exactly what we loved of the marque:
Power Grace and Pace.
Of course Ford likes to make Jaguar a worldplayer,
as more they produce as more the chairmans get paid in their office tower.
Again TVR shows us that there is also room for smaller car producers with a tendency to produce cars with soul.
Sorry, but it really hurts me badly seeing Jaguar diesel taxis nowadays.
Martin
I see your point, but if the options are become a specialist and sack half the workforce, or make some sacrifices to continue producing real Jags… the former is a bit of nasty one.. People don't like being made redundant.. And it makes management unpopular...
John Millar said:
This is only an artists impression and a spy picture of the next xk
<a href="http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7304&sid=178&n=158">www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7304&sid=178&n=158</a>
Thanks guys! Love the artists impression of the new XK (X150?), its a definate possibility now! Though the chassis mule isn't giving much away is it?!
RE: Griffithy, I noticed at the time the resemblence to the the TVR although I did prefer the F-Type. Shame it never got off the ground. Dont know what this XK180 is. Any more info?
RE: Groomi, "Sorry to dissapoint you, but there is no chance anything will be launched before the AMV8." Perhaps so, though I am on a list which is getting longer due to delayed production etc, which means that I have the opportunity to indulge elsewhere, before my anticipated delivery of sometime late '06 into '07, hence my question.
Edited to add: Apologies Groomi, I just read you post properly. Your saying the new XK/R is all Jag are currently offering, which is still (if its the X150) really nice.
Its a shame Jaguar are not developing a two seater roadster/coupe as in the XK180 (I remember this one now!) mould, they could score big sales with such a thing, IMO.
>> Edited by nuisance_value on Wednesday 11th August 16:00
Podie said:
I see your point, but if the options are become a specialist and sack half the workforce, or make some sacrifices to continue producing real Jags… the former is a bit of nasty one.. People don't like being made redundant.. And it makes management unpopular...
I am feeling very bad now.
Great Ford isn´t tinkering about with Aston Martin yet.
There is no way Jaguar will let the new XK replacemment look anything like an 'S-Type'. Slaes of the S are dropping due to 50's styling. The XK will look like the car used on the James Bond movie from a couple of years ago. So I believe. That X150 looks 'orrible.
The AMV8 is a fab looking car on paper and in the flesh.
G
The AMV8 is a fab looking car on paper and in the flesh.
G
Why oh why oh why oh why didn't Jaguar progress the R-Coupe? This was a stunning four-seater with gorgeous Ian Callum penned lines (that'll be Mr DB7 and Vanquish).
I'll happily put up with front wheel drive diesel X-Types if cars such as this and the much rumoured - on/off F-Type ever see the light of day. But I don't see that happening
Personally, I'd like to see the following:
F-Type (to be based on the next generation RWD X-type. This would be a front (V6, or even better straight 6) engined, rear drive 2 seater in both roadster and coupe bodystyles. Priced to take on the SLK & Boxter.
XKR - Basically a reworked XK180. Front engined V8 and RWD. Again coupe and roadster 2 seaters. Much more of a sporting focus that today's XK.
R-Coupe - a proper 4 seater based on a lengthened XKR/XJS alluminium chassis. This could be Jag's flagship. I even think it could be stretched to a four door, low slung coupe (rather like that new Merc CLS). This could be badged as a Daimler.
Just my thoughts
I'll happily put up with front wheel drive diesel X-Types if cars such as this and the much rumoured - on/off F-Type ever see the light of day. But I don't see that happening
Personally, I'd like to see the following:
F-Type (to be based on the next generation RWD X-type. This would be a front (V6, or even better straight 6) engined, rear drive 2 seater in both roadster and coupe bodystyles. Priced to take on the SLK & Boxter.
XKR - Basically a reworked XK180. Front engined V8 and RWD. Again coupe and roadster 2 seaters. Much more of a sporting focus that today's XK.
R-Coupe - a proper 4 seater based on a lengthened XKR/XJS alluminium chassis. This could be Jag's flagship. I even think it could be stretched to a four door, low slung coupe (rather like that new Merc CLS). This could be badged as a Daimler.
Just my thoughts
Twin Turbo said:
Why oh why oh why oh why didn't Jaguar progress the R-Coupe? This was a stunning four-seater with gorgeous Ian Callum penned lines (that'll be Mr DB7 and Vanquish).
I'll happily put up with front wheel drive diesel X-Types if cars such as this and the much rumoured - on/off F-Type ever see the light of day. But I don't see that happening
Personally, I'd like to see the following:
F-Type (to be based on the next generation RWD X-type. This would be a front (V6, or even better straight 6) engined, rear drive 2 seater in both roadster and coupe bodystyles. Priced to take on the SLK & Boxter.
XKR - Basically a reworked XK180. Front engined V8 and RWD. Again coupe and roadster 2 seaters. Much more of a sporting focus that today's XK.
R-Coupe - a proper 4 seater based on a lengthened XKR/XJS alluminium chassis. This could be Jag's flagship. I even think it could be stretched to a four door, low slung coupe (rather like that new Merc CLS). This could be badged as a Daimler.
Just my thoughts
TT,
Agree with all your points, even with what you said about the X-Type diesel, if this is the price to pay.
But I don't see that all happening as well
There is some good news though...
Rumours have been circulating for a while now that the V6 will be dropped in favour of a straight six for the next generation of X / S types. Apparently it will use the basic archetecture of the volvo straight six but will be heavily reworked by Jaguar. Not too sure about the idea yet, but remember what Aston have done with a couple of mondeo engines!
Rumours have been circulating for a while now that the V6 will be dropped in favour of a straight six for the next generation of X / S types. Apparently it will use the basic archetecture of the volvo straight six but will be heavily reworked by Jaguar. Not too sure about the idea yet, but remember what Aston have done with a couple of mondeo engines!
Griffithy said:
Not too sure about the idea yet, but remember what Aston have done with a couple of mondeo engines!
What have they done?
One in front and one in the boot?
Astons current V12 is basically 2 mondeo V6s welded together. Oh, and a hell of a lot of re-engineering.
Griffithy said:
I see your point, but if the options are become a specialist and sack half the workforce, or make some sacrifices to continue producing real Jags… the former is a bit of nasty one.. People don't like being made redundant.. And it makes management unpopular...
I am feeling very bad now.
Great Ford isn´t tinkering about with Aston Martin yet.
Er.. It has done… look at sales prior to Ford...
Good point. I don't want to tempt fate, but Ford have done nothing but good as far as Aston is concerned. Aston have been given the funds and access to the PAG groups best bits, but still kept the "bespoke" Aston feel.
Just wish I could say the same for Jaguar. Sharing Lincoln and Mondeo bits just doesn't cut it for me
Just wish I could say the same for Jaguar. Sharing Lincoln and Mondeo bits just doesn't cut it for me
Maybe I stand correct on that particular point then.
Doesn't alter the fact that the S-Type was never as good as it should have been (although the latest version certainly seems a lot better and has a half-decent interior). Just need to give it a better looking body....the R-Coupe look would do fine
Doesn't alter the fact that the S-Type was never as good as it should have been (although the latest version certainly seems a lot better and has a half-decent interior). Just need to give it a better looking body....the R-Coupe look would do fine
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