X150 coupe: Talk me out of it

[LanceRS]

Seem to have forgotten the obligatory pictures.


Can you have something with looks like this and drives so well for less? Absolute bargains and I bought while the prices were high.

[Golan]

Ha Goodwood… Just up the road from me.
I’ve had my 2010 XKR for a couple of years after owning an S type R for 8 years.
The S type was a hoot and I loved driving it but the XKR is on another level as far as power is concerned it’s safe to say that it goes like a greased pig!
No real massive bills yet just a few bits that you might expect from a car of its age.
Probably paid a bit too much for it but I did well selling my S type so I’m happy.

[cybertrophic]

anonymous-user said:

I'm genuinely not sure how you have managed to find only one or two examples of timing chain issues from the internet on a 5.0 JLR engine? Simply typing in "5.0 timing chain brings up a plethora of videos, forum posts and articles related to the JLR 5.0 and them going through chains faster than a rapper with a H Samuel gift card.

There are numerous internal jaguar service bulletins, at least two different chain revisions off the top of my head and a now settled class action lawsuit filed in the states:
https://m.carcomplaints.com/news/2022/land-rover-t...

I'm glad that your sample of two out of tens of thousands of these engines that were made is in your favour, but when extrapolating when using others people's posted advice or speaking with JLR specialists or speaking to people that see, drive and inspect these cars daily, I think it's very hard to argue that there isn't an underlying issue with the engine.

I am also very confused by your pop at XF owners - Do you not consider them to not be a "enthusiast owners" because their cars cost marginally less than yours?.

If that is indeed what you were implying, what about the super mega enthusiast owners of F types reporting the same issues on cars as late and valuable as 2017 F types?

https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/f-type-x152-72/...

You know what doesn’t happen? People rarely go to the effort of bombarding forums and websites with tales of how they haven’t had any problems. Nor do they phone customer service to say everything is great and how happy they are. Your inability to understand what confirmation bias doesn’t make it a fact.

I have put nearly half a million miles on JLR products in the last ten years, I have put 120,000 on a Porsche Cayenne and the list goes on. The *only* cars that have *never* given me potentially catastrophic mechanical issues that required massive expense or scrapping a car for being unworthy of saving were JLR built. Mechanically, the engines are damn near indestructible if looked after, early Nikasil issues on 4.0 v8s in the 90s and some pre-recall 4.2 x150s. Most of the issues are based on poor maintenance, unlike the Porsche flat 6 engines with bore wash issues and failing IMS bearings, or the VAG v6 diesels that require completely dismantling and the block regluing internally because of poor design and cheap manufacturing, or the countless VANOS, ecu and top-end issues faced by BMW engines, or well….anything to do with Mercedes since the mid-90s.

No car is perfect, but simply parroting tripe from websites or Top Gear reviews gets on my nerves.

[reddiesel]

cybertrophic said:

You know what doesn’t happen? People rarely go to the effort of bombarding forums and websites with tales of how they haven’t had any problems. Nor do they phone customer service to say everything is great and how happy they are. Your inability to understand what confirmation bias doesn’t make it a fact.

I have put nearly half a million miles on JLR products in the last ten years, I have put 120,000 on a Porsche Cayenne and the list goes on. The *only* cars that have *never* given me potentially catastrophic mechanical issues that required massive expense or scrapping a car for being unworthy of saving were JLR built. Mechanically, the engines are damn near indestructible if looked after, early Nikasil issues on 4.0 v8s in the 90s and some pre-recall 4.2 x150s. Most of the issues are based on poor maintenance, unlike the Porsche flat 6 engines with bore wash issues and failing IMS bearings, or the VAG v6 diesels that require completely dismantling and the block regluing internally because of poor design and cheap manufacturing, or the countless VANOS, ecu and top-end issues faced by BMW engines, or well….anything to do with Mercedes since the mid-90s.

No car is perfect, but simply parroting tripe from websites or Top Gear reviews gets on my nerves.

Exactly this . I blame the Internet , it makes all of these " Bluffers " that have absolutely no experience of the Car in question appear to be experts . Meanwhile of course , actual Owner experience and good advice goes out the window . They all seem to wash up on this channel , from " Auction Specialists " that have so little actual knowledge they have to rely on auction staff to provide them with inside information to " Fence Sitters " who post incessantly about intending to buy then after starting a thread disappear into the ether . I should think the respective wives will be the only winners in all of this , at least we are giving them a bit of peace and quiet by putting up with their other halves ignorant ramblings .

[Vsix and Vtec]

Well hopefully it will be of some comfort that I'm not falling into either of those categories.

I thought I should update this thread, but first I'd like to thank all the respondents who have given me so much useful advice and information, and I'm happy to report that as of yesterday I've put down a deposit on a 2009 XK60 in Liquid Silver. It has the electric side bolster option, but I don't see much else that's been added over standard. I'm awaiting preparation work by the garage before I take delivery, but the top and bottom of it is I'm now back the the Jaguar orbit. Thanks again everyone! There will be a new thread in due course (with pictures!).

[reddiesel]

Vsix and Vtec said:

Well hopefully it will be of some comfort that I'm not falling into either of those categories.

I thought I should update this thread, but first I'd like to thank all the respondents who have given me so much useful advice and information, and I'm happy to report that as of yesterday I've put down a deposit on a 2009 XK60 in Liquid Silver. It has the electric side bolster option, but I don't see much else that's been added over standard. I'm awaiting preparation work by the garage before I take delivery, but the top and bottom of it is I'm now back the the Jaguar orbit. Thanks again everyone! There will be a new thread in due course (with pictures!).

Thats great news , what exactly is an XK60 ? Naturally I assume its an X150 and 2009 will make it a 5.0 litre engine but where else does it differ from the standard model ? I cant wait to hear your thoughts and experiences , good luck with your purchase and many happy years of enjoyment

[Simpo Two]

reddiesel said:

what exactly is an XK60 ? Naturally I assume its an X150 and 2009 will make it a 5.0 litre engine but where else does it differ from the standard model ?

You should get Google installed https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...

[stevemcs]

People seem to love to knock Jaguars without even having owned one or fixed one while loving there German built cars ... which we see more broken ones than Jaguars.

[Vsix and Vtec]

reddiesel said:

Thats great news , what exactly is an XK60 ? Naturally I assume its an X150 and 2009 will make it a 5.0 litre engine but where else does it differ from the standard model ? I cant wait to hear your thoughts and experiences , good luck with your purchase and many happy years of enjoyment

It's effectively the runout model for the pre-facelift car. It's base is the regular 4.2 engined car, but it adds a few cosmetic changes such as bright trim to the gearshift surround, the wing gills, squared tailpipes, new mesh grilles, and a different body kit.

Mine isn't quite the wish list, as it has black leather interior and aluminium dash trim, however it works well with the Liquid Silver paint and the bright finishes which were part of the 60 edition.

[CarlosSainz100]

stevemcs said:

People seem to love to knock Jaguars without even having owned one or fixed one while loving there German built cars ... which we see more broken ones than Jaguars.

I know German brands can and do go wrong as well. But Jaguar came last in the 2020 what car reliability awards and even their old boss admitted they weren't great. I think given the numbers of cars they make compared to BMW and Audi they should be making them a lot better. They drive great, they just need to make them a bit better.

[8bit]

CarlosSainz100 said:

stevemcs said:

People seem to love to knock Jaguars without even having owned one or fixed one while loving there German built cars ... which we see more broken ones than Jaguars.

I know German brands can and do go wrong as well. But Jaguar came last in the 2020 what car reliability awards and even their old boss admitted they weren't great. I think given the numbers of cars they make compared to BMW and Audi they should be making them a lot better. They drive great, they just need to make them a bit better.

I've had several Jags and several German cars. The most problematic car we've had was a Jag. The least problematic car was also a Jag though. The whole thing about German reliability is nothing more than marketing bullst. If reliability is the top priority when choosing a car I'd say Japanese is the way to go.

[Craikeybaby]

Vsix and Vtec said:

It's effectively the runout model for the pre-facelift car. It's base is the regular 4.2 engined car, but it adds a few cosmetic changes such as bright trim to the gearshift surround, the wing gills, squared tailpipes, new mesh grilles, and a different body kit.

Mine isn't quite the wish list, as it has black leather interior and aluminium dash trim, however it works well with the Liquid Silver paint and the bright finishes which were part of the 60 edition.

I think I had to do a special build of the touchscreen software for these - the updated HMI from the XF, but with the old backend/car interface from the pre-facelift X150. From 10MY it was common software with the XF.

[Vsix and Vtec]

Craikeybaby said:

I think I had to do a special build of the touchscreen software for these - the updated HMI from the XF, but with the old backend/car interface from the pre-facelift X150. From 10MY it was common software with the XF.

Really? Oh boy, well that's something to bare in mind then if I ever need to delve into the infotainment system. Hopefully I pick the car up on Saturday morning, so I'll be able to spend a bit more time sampling your handywork then!

[LanceRS]

Exciting stuff. Looking forward to seeing your adventures.

[tberg]

A few posts ago, Jaguar reliability was mentioned as a negative issue. Yesterday, I took the picture below of my odometer as the countdown to 200,000 miles nears. I've owned my XKR for a little over 10 years and have nothing but praise for the experience. Reliable, quick (pulleyed and tuned to about 600hp., tracked dozens of times, and still my daily driver. What a fantastic car!

[Patrick Bateman]

Good effort! Any significant bills in that time?

Have you had the coolant hoses that are known to go replaced?

[tberg]

A week ago, I spent about $2500.00 but that included a respray of the front bumper and repairing and respraying of front splitter as rock chips adorned several places on the bumper, and I mangled the front splitter on a steep driveway, but I still wanted the car to look perfect. Also included in that amount were new brakes, front and rear and fixing a misfire that required a new coil and spark plug. In the past, I've had on two occasions a stuck fuel injector where it is suggested to replace the whole bank. And I have had several water pumps replaced which is a known issue. At about 110,000 miles (as I recall) I replaced the shock absorbers which at the time several years ago, I was able to find on ebay a vendor who was selling OEM replacements for about $400 for the set of fronts and rears. When I first bought the car, I added a Eurocharged tune and pulley which cost about $800.00. There have been very few other issues. I have replaced some but not all of the coolant hoses, and I have replaced the A/C compressor. The one other repair that was done when I first bought the car was the repair of the loose leather on the dashboard. When I was having some customized body parts added to my car, I had my shop pull the dashboard, and I took it to my personal upholsterer (I'm in the interior design trade), and he stretched and reattached the leather for free as the causes were easily rectified. That pretty much covers the extent of repairs. Oh yes, I've changed the transmission fluid three times during my ownership, and I'm still shocked at how good the ZF still shifts. I've never had an automatic transmission last 100,000 miles let alone 200,000 miles without a rebuild or replacement, especially one pulling a 600hp vehicle.

This has been an exceptionally fine car and a hoot to drive even on the track.

Edited by tberg on Monday 8th May 02:48

[reddiesel]

I have ran about 13 Jaguars all told going back to the Seventies and I tend to think of them as Pre Ford and Post Ford . In line with the Thread concentrating on the Post Ford Models I had two X350 V8s , one X150 4.2 made , one F Type V8R and one F Type SVR and had no reliability issues with any of them . Any warning lights that occurred were always well covered on the various Forums and if I didn’t know the answer inevitably when I asked the question others were kind enough to help . Biggest issue in all my years of Jaguar ownership was an EML light but not restricted performance on the X150 . It took EE an age to find the underlying problem and they told me bluntly that the car wouldn’t leave their premises till the issue was solved . Fortunately they had a donor car which they were slowly breaking for spares and sensor by sensor and egr valve by egr valve they set about searching for the root cause . Two weeks later cursing with frustration they found it . A cracked Air Filter Housing ??? Who would have guessed that ?

[Vsix and Vtec]

Here she is, in all her glory. Excuse the singular snap, it's raining and I'd rather update properly in a fresh readers cars thread once it's dry and I've got a few coats of Autoglym on the paint. Thank you all once again.

[and31]

That’s lovely.