zzr1100 clubsport to Zx14

zzr1100 clubsport to Zx14

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craig7l

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1,135 posts

273 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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anybody considered a swap of 1100 to 1400 kwak. just wondering with regard to mounts, space, engine size difference etc.
regards

minitici

200 posts

212 months

Sunday 8th August 2010
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I fitted the ZX14 into Angus's Radical Clubsport.
At the time, short billet sumps were not available therefore the engine sits a bit high.
(AB Performance now make sumps).
The problem with shortening the original sump is that the oil filter mounts on the front of the sump rather than the block.
I shaved the oil drain plug off the original sump and moved it onto the side.
The ZX14 engines sump seems reasonably baffled as standard.
Complete new engine mounts were fabricated.
The ZZR1100 exhaust headers were modified to the ZX14.
The right pair of headers had to take a bit of a detour to clear the water pipes on the right side of the engine.
As the position of the gearbox sprocket was a bit higher than the ZZR1100's I had to notch and strengthen the crossbeam to provide clearance for the chain.
Reverse cannot be fitted to the end of the gearbox sprocket as the ZX14 has its speed sensor fitted there (engine needs this sensor to work so that the ECU does not restrict engine revs).
There was the usual problems with fitting a fuel tank with a return for the injection system, high pressure injection pump, filters and an adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
Wiring was reasonably straight forward but as the original clocks were not used there was one power feed to the speed sensor which needed reconnected.
As the ZX14 has a 6th gear speed limiter, a speedo healer is required to fool the ECU otherwise a lower rev limit comes in in 6th gear.
Getting a rev counter for the ZX14 is a bit of a problem as the bike used a CAN BUS system.
We used a powerCommander LCD unit for its rev counter.
A PowerCommander and re-mapping will be required.
We used the standard ZX14 oil/water oil cooler therefore only run the Radical's water radiator.
We also used the US spec ECU which does not have the immobiliser

Couple of other posts here
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...


Edited by minitici on Sunday 8th August 10:56

craig7l

Original Poster:

1,135 posts

273 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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thanks great info douglas.

reading this if a ZX14 had a dry sump and budget stretched to a full on aftermarket ecu life it would seem an easyish install?

minitici

200 posts

212 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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Dry sumping would add to the complexity.
IMHO the billet sump from Andy Bates would be sufficient.
If additional oil cooling is required, I think he does a new take off for a repositioned oil filer and external oil cooler.
(Muzzy's also do these adaptors and also do a dry sump)



craig7l

Original Poster:

1,135 posts

273 months

Monday 9th August 2010
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thanks.
Just looking for a car/chassis to take to Algarve portugal to keep as a trackday car.

Any clubsports for sale would be good info for me.

regards

SportsLibre

590 posts

219 months

Friday 18th October 2013
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A new project means the trusty championship winning ZX14 Radical Clubsport is now surplus to requirements or at least I have too many projects and not enough space.

SportsLibre

590 posts

219 months

Tuesday 22nd October 2013
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LCM

444 posts

204 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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This is a really decent inexpensive Clubby.

Unbelievably, at Shelsley, it was always quicker to Kennel than the mighty Black Betty (with its 1585 engine, world class aero and mega talented driver).

A friend put one of these standard ZX14s in his LCM LoDrag Clubbie and on the RPE dyno it produced more power than my tuned RPE 1500 (pace Ted)!

mnrvortxf20c

430 posts

155 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2013
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really nice looking car! what sort of power does it make? and what should the 1500 busa make

LCM

444 posts

204 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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mnrvortxf20c said:
really nice looking car! what sort of power does it make? and what should the 1500 busa make
Angus would have to tell you about his little red thing yikes

But, my experience is that a fuel mapped ZX14 and a "Tuned" 1500 'Busa would give 185 +/-5 RWHP on the RPE car dyno.

SportsLibre

590 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th October 2013
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That confirms the widely held belief that the RPE Dyno is a tad optimistic, presumably to support the sales brochure.