Fueling problem Radical SR3 Tracksport / tank breathing?

Fueling problem Radical SR3 Tracksport / tank breathing?

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master_328

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22 posts

235 months

Tuesday 6th July 2010
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Hi folks, I have a 2003 Radical SR3 tracksport. I have terrible problems when refueling the tank. I have to refuel very very slowly. When I refuel a bit too fast, fuel is coming out of the filler cap. How does the tank system of my SR3 breathe? Is there a breather valve? I couldn`t find one yet. I also seem to have vacuum in the tank when driving at full throttle for more than 10-15 seconds. The car has a turboed engine which needs a lot of fuel. Does anyone has the same problem?

splitpin

2,740 posts

204 months

Tuesday 6th July 2010
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In advance of Simon T's way more extensive knowledge and input >

1) Check the breather vent; given the turbo, not sure whether it'll be in the usual position which is about mid-point passing through the rear undertray; if you blow up it and it's clear, you'll hear fuel gurgling in the tank. However, doubt that would cause the very slow filling, but it could easily cause the vacuuming, as could a defective filler cap.

2) Check the rubber/poly pipe from the filler cap female to the tank; obviously to make sure it's not kinked or more likely (if it's that slow) there's not something in there, like a rag, piece of paper towel that's managed to slip in uninvited!

3) Make sure the tank foam hasn't broken down; although I think that would most likely cause starvation (rather than filling issues), immediately evident general running problems, as would a fuel filter that's blocked/starting to clog up.

master_328

Original Poster:

22 posts

235 months

Tuesday 6th July 2010
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Thanks for your answer. Where can I find this "breather vent" you mentioned? The tank is made of aluminium, there is no ventilation on top of it. The filler hose is ok and nothing in it. The turbocharger is very good isolated, that has got nothing to do with the problem, I also had the filling problem with the 1500cc N/A engine. After upgrading both fuel pumps, I also have the vacuum problem after 10-15 second of full boost. I will do a run without filler cap or with filler cap but without sealing, to check if the problem will still occur.

Where does the tank normally breathe?

master_328

Original Poster:

22 posts

235 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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I think I just solved the problem. The breathing valve is located very close to the filler hose. I had a sharp bend between ventilation hose and ventilation valve. I hope the problem is solved now. Thanks for your help.

splitpin

2,740 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th July 2010
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master_328 said:
I think I just solved the problem. The breathing valve is located very close to the filler hose. I had a sharp bend between ventilation hose and ventilation valve. I hope the problem is solved now. Thanks for your help.
Great news - fingers crossed!

master_328

Original Poster:

22 posts

235 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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Problem isn`t solved yet. I still have the refulling problem. I want to remove the foam inside the cell. Is there any way to do this without opening the cell? Would any acid kill the foam?

Simon T

2,136 posts

279 months

Friday 8th February 2013
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If the fuel wont go in the tank is full, the neck is blocked or the breather is blocked. Drain the tank right off.Check the filler neck, then check the breather hose again also check the inversion valve is working correctly

The foam is pretty tough, no idea if acid will kill it but I would guess any acid strong enough to do so will also eat the tank, then the chassis, then the floor (Alien saliva?)

I have renewed the foam in my tank, you need to cut a hole in it, replace the foam then get it welded up again. Its a tank out job I'm afraid

Re the fuel starvation, check your filters. If you are running a turbo engine I would recommend a big fuel swirl pot as any fuel starvation when on boost will cause detonation, and the sudden and total demise of your motor

S

Edited by Simon T on Friday 8th February 12:39

BioBa

317 posts

159 months

Saturday 9th February 2013
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Do you have refueling problems when at the gas station? If yes this is a common problem as the fuel is very aerated and the foam core can not cope. I also need to refuel very slowly when at the gas station. In contrast when I refuel from my jerrycan I have no problems.

BioBa

317 posts

159 months

Saturday 9th February 2013
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Do you have refueling problems when at the gas station? If yes this is a common problem as the fuel is very aerated and the foam core can not cope. I also need to refuel very slowly when at the gas station. In contrast when I refuel from my jerrycan I have no problems.

dh00065p

129 posts

170 months

Sunday 10th February 2013
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I also have exactly the same problem and have found jerry cans to be the answer.
If only there was a simple pump to make transfer from the jerry can easier on the back.
David.

splitpin

2,740 posts

204 months

Sunday 10th February 2013
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There's all sorts of really cheap but effective syphon devices that'll avoid prolonged jerry can lifting.

As per usual rules of gravity, you just have to stand the donor jerry higher than the fill level - we often use one of these 'jigglers' and they don't come much simpler >

http://toolstoday.co.uk/product/6312/sealey-jiggle...