relative merits of PR6 and SR3RS?

[BertBert]

For racing is it just preference of 1 seat or two, or are there more differences between the two?
Bert

[dsl2]

One's cheaper to buy / easier to transport, prepare & maintain single handed....... Whilst the other one's more expensive but faster everywhere other than Oulton park from what I've seen this year & if it rains, man does it look planted!

[splitpin]

So there you go, wise words from the man right at the front, words which accord precisely with what I've heard from several others in his immediate proximity. As you've already got 'Men that Do' (to overcome the single handed disadvantages), if the wallet allows and you're already minded to give it a right bashing, then there's surely only one (optimised tuition - ready) way to go?

[BertBert]

mmmm, yes indeed! However to go from musing over the disadvantages of having non-standard (modded for 2 seats) clubsport bodywork to an ex-works SR3RS in a week as a bit too quick even for me!

Bert

[dsl2]

Go for it Bertbert, then give us a go in it!

The yellow 2009 one looks like a fair price.......Assuming its not the one that Chris Currie "used" at Pembrey.......

[BertBert]

Are you thinking of the yellow one on PH classified that's up at Nick Cartwright? Although quite what NC are doing with a Rad is beyond me! Not quite their usual fare!

So then when you get to SR3 land, what do we think of the RS over the olde worlde SR3?

Bert

[dsl2]

Nope, referring to the one on Radicals own website.

New RS looks a useful step forward from observing them on circuit, especially so in the wet. The old ones seem a bit quicker on the straights due to lower drag from the lesser aero I guess? But don't take any of this as red as I have only ever driven PR6's!

[splitpin]

dsl2 said:

Nope, referring to the one on Radicals own website.

Guessed that........... > http://www.radicalsportscars.com/approved-used-car... > ...........weird to see clear covers over blank lights ........... sorry Bert, can't find a smilie for a wallet being crowbarred

[BertBert]

yes, light covers are wierd, nice lookign car though!
Bert

[splitpin]

BertBert said:

yes, light covers are wierd, nice lookign car though!
Bert

Yep it is; like DSL says, worth checking it's not a Cat D

And while I think of it (as our friends @ Peterborough look in here fairly regularly), it's way time they came up with a considerably more user friendly way of fixing those clear covers that those of all of us with lights have to contend with, be that SR3,4 or 8 etc; being clear, they need regular removal for washing out behind and fiddling about with seven unbelievably tiny little screws and locknuts (on the blind side) X 2 is a bloody time-consuming and nerve racking nightmare; when refixing, they also have to be very very carefully and very very lightly tightened evenly all round to avoid cracking the perspex (as I found out the hard way on our SR4); not very clever at all .... if all else fails, I intend to find and test out a better way ....... I have in mind a very small version of those two part/stage push inserts that a lot of cars use as trim clips. They are so cheap as chips, they could easily be used once, then thrown away upon removal and new ones used for refixing.

[BertBert]

splitpin said:

BertBert said:

yes, light covers are wierd, nice lookign car though!
Bert

Yep it is; like DSL says, worth checking it's not a Cat D

The question is would we notice? It's a racing car after all and radical should know how to cut corners or ends off and mend them. I had a caterham that after a whoops moment by me needed a long front end. A real cut n shut job in 1999. I owned it for a couple of years after and a friend owns it to this day. Not even harmed by the experience!

Bert

[dsl2]

Totally agree Bert, if its a factory repair I wouldn't be bothered either, its a race car not a concourse show car after all..... st happens, its just a question of when!

[splitpin]

splitpin said:

Yep it is; like DSL says, worth checking it's not a Cat D

Chill Guys, it was a joke ......... as said, sxxt happens and the doctors at Radical are more than capable of making good the consequences. Incidentally, I have no idea whether or not that SR3 has been in need of such attention.

That said, human nature being what it is, wouldn't most of us prefer a car that's maybe done a little bit of grass-cutting/gravel-trapping/kissing to one that's had full on heavy intimacy with a crash barrier necessitating a full strip and back on the jig job? And also, preferably one that's not had a fire, because they (any car, not just Radicals) never seem to be quite the same again, with a preponderance for all sorts of odd little strange niggles.

Edited by splitpin on Tuesday 6th July 11:42

[BertBert]

Yep you are right! Noone wants a bitza really!
Bert

[1ctm]

rs WAS quicker at oulton!
it only required a better driver on board inplace of me!!!
uk cup times much better than club cup times for the sr3rs
i honestly would prefer the PR6 everytime.More fun too drive,
and look at DL's starts. Nothing too touch him.

[SportsLibre]

1ctm said:

and look at DL's starts. Nothing too touch him.

That'll be his experience from Hillclimbs...

[splitpin]

1ctm said:

rs WAS quicker at oulton!
it only required a better driver on board inplace of me!!!
uk cup times much better than club cup times for the sr3rs
i honestly would prefer the PR6 everytime.More fun too drive,
and look at DL's starts. Nothing too touch him.

Hi CTM

They say 'never look back'? Perhaps the PR6 isn't quite as much fun as last year when you guys were battling it out big time with strokers in same?

Incidentally, got a feeling that DSL might take you up on it if you're minded to swop cars for the rest of the season!

PS for the benefit of those on the RF who are relatively new to Rads: ever modest and ever friendly CTM from NI is 2009 Club Champ

The expression "Veni, vidi, vici" (Classical Latin: ; Ecclesiastical Latin: ; I came, I saw, I conquered) never fitted anyone better

[BertBert]

1ctm said:

i honestly would prefer the PR6 everytime.

Colin, are you saying that the RS is quicker but that the PR6 is more fun? In what way?
Bert

[dsl2]

Hi Colin, nice to see you pop in & give us an insight having spent time in both cars now, rather than my guessed appraisal from watching them go!

I would say its difficult to do a direct comparisons between the car types unless they are all on the track at the exact same time though, it has really surprised me how much the circuit can change with regard to grip levels & lap times..

For instance at the Oulton test on Friday before we raced & using my old test tyres (one of last years race set) & a 49 rear sprocket I managed a lap of 1.23.49 & several within a tenth or so from my Farringdon lap timer that has always given me a time within 3/100th's of the official circuit timings. Asking around at that time that was a bit quicker than the SR3rs's driven by a few of the professionals had recorded. This lead me to believe it was looking like a good time to play my Joker, however in the races with a 50t sprocket & race tyre's on I couldn't get within .7 of that time......

Looking on TSL some of the professionals managed times in the 1.22.9's in SR3'rs which makes me wonder what time's they would of done in PR6 under the same race conditions?

[dsl2]

Bert,

I'm guessing Colin means whereas PR6 is happy enough to be driven smoothly, its a bit quicker (not to mention more fun) being hustled or slightly overdriven in a rough & ready stylie, reminds me of a faster Caterham in the slow stuff...

SR3rs, from what I gather is more of a precision instrument, much more stable/ planted & perhaps doesn't respond so well to being driven over the ragged edge?