Racing in 2010
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Hi All,
So after a year of doing track days in a Radical I plan to take my little wheezy 1200 SR4 racing next season. I have decided on the Bike-Sports as a decent, slightly less intimidating place to start.
Im after a bit of advice as to what spares the clubman racer carries with him over the usual track day basics and any other words of wisdom from the more experienced people on here that might help me out for my first few meetings...
Thanks !
So after a year of doing track days in a Radical I plan to take my little wheezy 1200 SR4 racing next season. I have decided on the Bike-Sports as a decent, slightly less intimidating place to start.
Im after a bit of advice as to what spares the clubman racer carries with him over the usual track day basics and any other words of wisdom from the more experienced people on here that might help me out for my first few meetings...
Thanks !
Good choice racing is mega and you'll love every minute of it has its highs and lows as you can imagine.
In terms of spares i've done 16 races this year and finished them all if the car is checked and looked after between races you should be ok.
I have in my spares box plugs, leads, coil pack, chain, sprocket set, drive shafts, track day silencer for when the race one fails noise test ie snett on saturday lucky they only take two minutes to change over if you know what i mean!! And thats about it i don't have the space to take any more if you were being run by a team they would carry wishbones uprights maybe body work etc etc..
That's the one advantage running in the radical clubmans cup full spares back up and staff to help if needed.
If you do track days in your SR4 if you add up the amount of time you spend on track you will be doing way more time than when you start to race it, i have come to the conclusion that the big R do make a bloody fantastic range of cars.
Just don't hit the kerbs to hard at russell at snetterton or you might have your fire extinguisher go off two laps the rotten thing took to empty its self
In terms of spares i've done 16 races this year and finished them all if the car is checked and looked after between races you should be ok.
I have in my spares box plugs, leads, coil pack, chain, sprocket set, drive shafts, track day silencer for when the race one fails noise test ie snett on saturday lucky they only take two minutes to change over if you know what i mean!! And thats about it i don't have the space to take any more if you were being run by a team they would carry wishbones uprights maybe body work etc etc..
That's the one advantage running in the radical clubmans cup full spares back up and staff to help if needed.
If you do track days in your SR4 if you add up the amount of time you spend on track you will be doing way more time than when you start to race it, i have come to the conclusion that the big R do make a bloody fantastic range of cars.
Just don't hit the kerbs to hard at russell at snetterton or you might have your fire extinguisher go off two laps the rotten thing took to empty its self
Hi James - good effort!
I am hoping to do the Bikesports championship next year too.
I did my first race with them at Silverstone in August and it was excellent -
good organisation, great paddock atmosphere and a bunch of nice
guys (and girls).
All of these factors made my first race experience far less daunting than I thought!
See you there
Tim
I am hoping to do the Bikesports championship next year too.
I did my first race with them at Silverstone in August and it was excellent -
good organisation, great paddock atmosphere and a bunch of nice
guys (and girls).
All of these factors made my first race experience far less daunting than I thought!
See you there
Tim
jamesrose said:
Im after a bit of advice as to what spares the clubman racer carries with him over the usual track day basics and any other words of wisdom from the more experienced people on here that might help me out for my first few meetings...
As JP (the other one) intimates, above, what you take with you pretty much depends upon the space that you've got and your budget.To avoid re-inventing the wheel, there's some good (if slightly out of date) race day advice and a reasonable list of spares on the Monoposto website on:
http://www.monoposto.co.uk/
Just click on the 'Going Racing' button.
If you go the multi-marque route (BESCR or Bikesports) I'll no doubt see you next season (Black & Bare Carbon Speads RS06D (usually, #13) )
Edited by Count Johnny on Wednesday 28th October 13:20
Spares...
THROTTLE CABLE (s) !! without one you're going nowhere.
If you have the space and can afford it buy two of everything so that if you use one ( or its a dud ) you have second fall back....
Spare Tyres/and or wheels...
Brake fluid, Chain oil, brake cleaner
Brake pads ( scrubbed in if needed )
Spare pins/clips for bodywork
Spare clips for wheels ( centre lock )
Spare set of wheel nuts
Gaffer tape
Lockwire
Put all your spares in one box so that is always the first thing to go in the towing vehicle. ( or on the seat of race car )
any used spares go in another box - you may be able to reuse them or butcher them for another bodge
a really boring tip ( ask Trev and Will ) buy your self a "false aerial" and attach to the car...on this go the bodywork pins and wheel clips....when these parts come off the car they go on there....therefore if they're on the aerial they should be on the car..if not on aerial you know you've fitted them ( strict rule )
David
THROTTLE CABLE (s) !! without one you're going nowhere.
If you have the space and can afford it buy two of everything so that if you use one ( or its a dud ) you have second fall back....
Spare Tyres/and or wheels...
Brake fluid, Chain oil, brake cleaner
Brake pads ( scrubbed in if needed )
Spare pins/clips for bodywork
Spare clips for wheels ( centre lock )
Spare set of wheel nuts
Gaffer tape
Lockwire
Put all your spares in one box so that is always the first thing to go in the towing vehicle. ( or on the seat of race car )
any used spares go in another box - you may be able to reuse them or butcher them for another bodge
a really boring tip ( ask Trev and Will ) buy your self a "false aerial" and attach to the car...on this go the bodywork pins and wheel clips....when these parts come off the car they go on there....therefore if they're on the aerial they should be on the car..if not on aerial you know you've fitted them ( strict rule )
David
The bike sports 750 mc appears to be the way forward, useful info on their website under 'how to go racing', fairly new to Radical and having done 5 trackdays this season I am ready to take the step forward, I think you will learn a lot more in 1 race than 3 or 4 trackdays, had a good day at Rockingham yesterday until a Bookatrack instructor made a complaint about being overtaken by the radicals whilst in his caterham, I thought the whole point of trackdays was to enjoy yourself and push your vehicle and improve your driving skills, I thought I was back at school! Bookatrack appear to dislike the Radicals and should have held 2 sessions to avoid any issues regarding overtaking.
If anyone has any info on the bike sports please post a reply, thanks to Tim yesterday as he had recently completed his first race in bike sports and confirmed my thoughts on going racing.
If anyone has any info on the bike sports please post a reply, thanks to Tim yesterday as he had recently completed his first race in bike sports and confirmed my thoughts on going racing.
82c said:
Bookatrack appear to dislike the Radicals
I was speaking to Jonny yesterday and he said that he'd *prefer* not to have race cars and radicals, as the speed differential is too quick for most of the typical machinery that attend his days. This isn't to say that he doesn't want radicals on his days, just a concern over the speed differential.I was in a yellow caterham and had similar problems with being held up. I ended up going round the outside on a few corners (which was naughty I know) and got pulled up for it. I wish people would use their mirrors more. The overtaking with consent (only) rule is frustrating if someone decides to put a complaint in if you overtook them coming *out* of a corner or on the straight, merely because they may not have 'given consent' or expected it....
Had good fun trying to keep up with an SR3 and a couple of the red SR4s though
Generally a well run day I thought though.
personally I'll not be attending another BAT day, was booted off after 5 laps at the donington 'track' day prior to the radical round for 'timing' i.e. dad was standing on pit wall attempting to (and failed !!) time me on his mobile phone..
My fault as I'd not told him timing was banned on track days.. but have never been treated in the manner to which i was subjected to that day since i was at school.. in fact I don't think a headmaster woudl get away with cutting your armband off and removing the sticker off your 'toy' car without consent !!
There seemed to be a lot of heated discussions that day with people going too fast, or passing without consent.. and noise issues (donington specific issue in fairness)
BAT days are probably excellent for genuine track days punters, but in a radical..........
My fault as I'd not told him timing was banned on track days.. but have never been treated in the manner to which i was subjected to that day since i was at school.. in fact I don't think a headmaster woudl get away with cutting your armband off and removing the sticker off your 'toy' car without consent !!
There seemed to be a lot of heated discussions that day with people going too fast, or passing without consent.. and noise issues (donington specific issue in fairness)
BAT days are probably excellent for genuine track days punters, but in a radical..........
Got to add to this one as i do work for bookatrack as an instructor.
Jonny is very fair with people the rules for track days are very simple overtake on the left and by consent, i've had issues while sat in cars people bullying there way past or lunging into corners i will then either have a word myself or let Jonny deal with it if you carry on ignoring the rules see you!!
Problem with radical's are there normally so much quicker than everything else even a badly driven one, very very frustrating been there myself being held up by some prat that won't move out of the way, Jonny doesn't run sessioned days as his customers don't like them and he can't fill the spaces and earn's no dosh it is a business remember.
The noise issue thats down to the circuit.
I think the first ROC day was on a goldtrack day i.e. a cheap test day with two sessions i call quick and fuc*ing quick much faster cars out there so even radical shouldn't be held up, i would have come along yesterday but was working at sstone.
Jonny is very fair with people the rules for track days are very simple overtake on the left and by consent, i've had issues while sat in cars people bullying there way past or lunging into corners i will then either have a word myself or let Jonny deal with it if you carry on ignoring the rules see you!!
Problem with radical's are there normally so much quicker than everything else even a badly driven one, very very frustrating been there myself being held up by some prat that won't move out of the way, Jonny doesn't run sessioned days as his customers don't like them and he can't fill the spaces and earn's no dosh it is a business remember.
The noise issue thats down to the circuit.
I think the first ROC day was on a goldtrack day i.e. a cheap test day with two sessions i call quick and fuc*ing quick much faster cars out there so even radical shouldn't be held up, i would have come along yesterday but was working at sstone.
JP
Despite Fergus starting a post suggesting that it was, it wasn't a ROC Trackday yesterday at Monsoon Rockingham. Just half a dozen Radicals that happened to be there by prior arrangement amidst a general mixed trackday. Had around twenty Radicals booked, Jonny would have run it as a sessioned day.
ROC's Inaugural Trackday back in April at Silverstone was with Goldtrack, but it certainly wasn't a cheap testday - there's no such thing as a cheap Goldtrack Day! It was a typical GT two Groups Session Day, one group being exclusively Radical - despite a wide variety of Radicals (from basic Clubsports to factory SR8s) it was a brilliant, smooth running and hugely enjoyable day as all who attended will confirm.
I have always found Jonny to be fair, but I have to say that (all of us having endured a very frustrating and demanding morning) I think 82c was hard done by (as I understand it, the incident involved an Instructor and I would have expected him to have been a bit more alert and therefore pro-active to faster cars coming up and to have let them through asap on a decent length straight - 82c was the second of two Rads running in close formation) and for Gixermark to be thrown out because his poor Ol'Da made a mistake does seem extremely harsh ......... particularly the latter, as someone with a mobile on the pitwall hardly constitutes a danger to anyone on track does it?
I also note that both felt they were treated a bit like schoolboys rather than grown-ups. That's not something that should happen period, particularly with someone like 82c who points a lot of Customers (not in Radicals) in Jonny's direction.
Despite Fergus starting a post suggesting that it was, it wasn't a ROC Trackday yesterday at Monsoon Rockingham. Just half a dozen Radicals that happened to be there by prior arrangement amidst a general mixed trackday. Had around twenty Radicals booked, Jonny would have run it as a sessioned day.
ROC's Inaugural Trackday back in April at Silverstone was with Goldtrack, but it certainly wasn't a cheap testday - there's no such thing as a cheap Goldtrack Day! It was a typical GT two Groups Session Day, one group being exclusively Radical - despite a wide variety of Radicals (from basic Clubsports to factory SR8s) it was a brilliant, smooth running and hugely enjoyable day as all who attended will confirm.
I have always found Jonny to be fair, but I have to say that (all of us having endured a very frustrating and demanding morning) I think 82c was hard done by (as I understand it, the incident involved an Instructor and I would have expected him to have been a bit more alert and therefore pro-active to faster cars coming up and to have let them through asap on a decent length straight - 82c was the second of two Rads running in close formation) and for Gixermark to be thrown out because his poor Ol'Da made a mistake does seem extremely harsh ......... particularly the latter, as someone with a mobile on the pitwall hardly constitutes a danger to anyone on track does it?
I also note that both felt they were treated a bit like schoolboys rather than grown-ups. That's not something that should happen period, particularly with someone like 82c who points a lot of Customers (not in Radicals) in Jonny's direction.
BertBert said:
Of course the other problem with timing is the "invalidation" of the TDO's public liablity insurance rather than danger on track. I can see a TDO not wanting that to happen!
And of course J is well-known for his direct style!
Bert
Absolutely know why, but Dad comes over with Son all the way from Ireland to help him at his first UK Radical Round the following day, but probably does not go to Driver Briefing. Son then forgets to tell Dad about strictly no timing, Dad decides to help Son by trying to get a rough handle on Son's pace, unbeknown to Son. Surely certainly tell Dad off, perhaps even in extremis ban Dad from Pit Lane, but take away Son's Trackday?And of course J is well-known for his direct style!
Bert
splitpin said:
BertBert said:
Of course the other problem with timing is the "invalidation" of the TDO's public liablity insurance rather than danger on track. I can see a TDO not wanting that to happen!
And of course J is well-known for his direct style!
Bert
Absolutely know why, but Dad comes over with Son all the way from Ireland to help him at his first UK Radical Round the following day, but probably does not go to Driver Briefing. Son then forgets to tell Dad about strictly no timing, Dad decides to help Son by trying to get a rough handle on Son's pace, unbeknown to Son. Surely certainly tell Dad off, perhaps even in extremis ban Dad from Pit Lane, but take away Son's Trackday?And of course J is well-known for his direct style!
Bert
Begs the question of what happens if someone times you and has nothing to do with you? I assume in that case, they'd be sent home rather than the driver.
Bert
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