Today's Championship Bulletin
Discussion
Given the problems in prizing people away from their big engines, the difficulties in agreeing suitable compensation, the aspirations of some wanting to do some UK cup rounds etc, it was always going to be a big ask to agree to a capacity reduction down to 1300cc, maybe 2011? (Doubt it though!)
Speaking for myself, I am grateful that a decision has been made in short order, at least we know where we stand & can plan accordingly.......
Speaking for myself, I am grateful that a decision has been made in short order, at least we know where we stand & can plan accordingly.......
Edited by dsl2 on Friday 16th October 19:31
Mmm, I wouldn't bet on a guaranteed cc reduction for 2011......After all the same reasons for resisting the reduction will still be valid then as now, plus there will be at least one more person having splashed out on a bigger bore expensive motor (me) which (if it lasts) will be potentially redundant after just one season?
However I shall tuck my 1300 away for a well deserved break rather than have it taken out to the bigger size..... just incase it needs dusting down for 2011!
JPI bugger off you certainly don't need a 1550, just get a tuned 1300cc & you will be flying, plus its (potentially) good practice for 2011, after all according to a certain email they are just as fast as a 1585cc you know!
However I shall tuck my 1300 away for a well deserved break rather than have it taken out to the bigger size..... just incase it needs dusting down for 2011!
JPI bugger off you certainly don't need a 1550, just get a tuned 1300cc & you will be flying, plus its (potentially) good practice for 2011, after all according to a certain email they are just as fast as a 1585cc you know!
Three days on and sooooooooooo quiet.
Everything's fine in the garden or the lull before the storm?
I suspect the latter, but the latter can emerge as a Michael Fish; a hurricane that flattens everything?
So best avoided: The RCC is second to none and Radical themselves bring so much that's so good to it that it can't be lost / even risked.
IMHO, in terms of the future, there needs to be more meat on the bones for 2011 and beyond>
1) Except for those with very very deep pockets, perhaps buying and/or developing a 1548 / 1585 through 2010 and throwing it away and clean sheeting for 2011 seems a big (perhaps impossible) ask.
2) Unless the PR06 Boys wish to just play with themselves (c'est possible!) and the SR3 is no longer Radical's 'volume car' (selling at about about £20K more than a PR06? - why isn't there a price list online?), it's clear that the SR3 has to have access to more power than a PR06; I reckon even DUJ would have difficulty saying/confessing "reckon you should buy this car for £20K more and then look at the arse-ends of a gaggle of PR06s in the RCC"!
Therefore, I think it is impossible (or in reality, commercially implausible)for all models to be "tuned 1300" in 2011 or whenever. Unless Radical completely overhaul their current new car offer (why on earth would they, particularly when 'Global' is factored in?), I think the writing is actually already there for everyone to see: 1340 PR06, 1475 SR3 i.e. non stroker PR06, stroker SR3; adjust upward as thought preferred / as proven by a suitably fast bloke testing each to ensure eveness e.g. '1400' PR06, '1550' SR3?
As I see it, the only way that 'anything goes' (and that includes 1660s and let's not forget, eventually beyond that, standby wallets) is retained is by the Tuned Class tranferring into some sort of heavily reconfigured UK Cup i.e. non mini-endurance.
(There you go Colin - and such as David - 1550 sold to the nice chap / chapess in the SR3
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Everything's fine in the garden or the lull before the storm?
I suspect the latter, but the latter can emerge as a Michael Fish; a hurricane that flattens everything?
So best avoided: The RCC is second to none and Radical themselves bring so much that's so good to it that it can't be lost / even risked.
IMHO, in terms of the future, there needs to be more meat on the bones for 2011 and beyond>
1) Except for those with very very deep pockets, perhaps buying and/or developing a 1548 / 1585 through 2010 and throwing it away and clean sheeting for 2011 seems a big (perhaps impossible) ask.
2) Unless the PR06 Boys wish to just play with themselves (c'est possible!) and the SR3 is no longer Radical's 'volume car' (selling at about about £20K more than a PR06? - why isn't there a price list online?), it's clear that the SR3 has to have access to more power than a PR06; I reckon even DUJ would have difficulty saying/confessing "reckon you should buy this car for £20K more and then look at the arse-ends of a gaggle of PR06s in the RCC"!
Therefore, I think it is impossible (or in reality, commercially implausible)for all models to be "tuned 1300" in 2011 or whenever. Unless Radical completely overhaul their current new car offer (why on earth would they, particularly when 'Global' is factored in?), I think the writing is actually already there for everyone to see: 1340 PR06, 1475 SR3 i.e. non stroker PR06, stroker SR3; adjust upward as thought preferred / as proven by a suitably fast bloke testing each to ensure eveness e.g. '1400' PR06, '1550' SR3?
As I see it, the only way that 'anything goes' (and that includes 1660s and let's not forget, eventually beyond that, standby wallets) is retained is by the Tuned Class tranferring into some sort of heavily reconfigured UK Cup i.e. non mini-endurance.
(There you go Colin - and such as David - 1550 sold to the nice chap / chapess in the SR3
)Edited by splitpin on Monday 19th October 11:59
If this doesn't give some useful clues for the future, then I'm a Dutchman >
http://www.radicalsportscars.com/racing/netherland...
Like I said, there's no way commercially that Radical will (or can) allow the SR3 to become an also ran. Envision the PR06 with the 1340, the SR3 with the 1475, non mini-endurance and a healthy dose of 'free'?
I just wish that the Euro was worth about 60p like it was back in 2004-ish!
PS And perhaps a reconfigured 2010 UK Cup acts as a pre-cursor for the 2011 RCC?
http://www.radicalsportscars.com/racing/netherland...
Like I said, there's no way commercially that Radical will (or can) allow the SR3 to become an also ran. Envision the PR06 with the 1340, the SR3 with the 1475, non mini-endurance and a healthy dose of 'free'?
I just wish that the Euro was worth about 60p like it was back in 2004-ish!
PS And perhaps a reconfigured 2010 UK Cup acts as a pre-cursor for the 2011 RCC?
Edited by splitpin on Wednesday 21st October 09:17
RobC said:
"1340cc Powertec engine, developing 210bhp and 130ft/Ibs @ 10,500rpm
Sorry...just spat my coffee all over my screen.
But not at the same time? Perhaps a combo of the usual 'ram-air effect' optimism and retention of Suzuki's 'mapping mode' selector?Sorry...just spat my coffee all over my screen.
Buggered computer, ruined breakfast, wonder what'll make it three in a row?
Edited by splitpin on Wednesday 21st October 09:42
As we've come to expect from our Rob, he's near enough (as makes no difference) 'spot on'.
So for what it's worth, here's a 'as fitted by Suzuki' K8 1340 (about 8 Bike RWHP more than a 1299) >
http://www.sportrider.com/dyno/146_sportbike_dyno_...
So for what it's worth, here's a 'as fitted by Suzuki' K8 1340 (about 8 Bike RWHP more than a 1299) >
http://www.sportrider.com/dyno/146_sportbike_dyno_...
SportsLibre said:
Looks about right, my standard ZX14 in the clubsport peaked just under 165 at TTS.
That's definitely a good 'un you've got there Angus - not even the masterful Japanese produce engines that give identical gee-gees - I'd have expected to see comfortably south side of 160 RWHP with all that additional loss creating stuff that a Radical carries over and above just the simple cush driven wheel of a bike ........ diff, drive shafts, way heavier wheels & tyres etc.
It is running a power commander, but otherwise standard apart from the non optimal modified zzr exhaust headers (one much longer than the others to avoid a chassis tube) and the lack of any airbox only a pipercross filter.
What TTS were able to to was tune out a horrendous lean patch which would probably have killed the engine otherwise. Don't think it really added much to the BHP figure but definitely managed to flatten the torque curve which is essential for the Hillclimb and sprint events.
It is certainly an order of magnitude better than the "185bhp" powertec ZZR
What TTS were able to to was tune out a horrendous lean patch which would probably have killed the engine otherwise. Don't think it really added much to the BHP figure but definitely managed to flatten the torque curve which is essential for the Hillclimb and sprint events.
It is certainly an order of magnitude better than the "185bhp" powertec ZZR
Edited by SportsLibre on Wednesday 21st October 21:49
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