Differences between Radicals?
Discussion
Is the following set of descriptions realistic from a Radical owners perspective. Following some of the discussions on here, I think a PR06 is the way to go, but I'm really not sure how these are differentiated from the Prosport cars. Is there a bluffers guide someone can point me in the direction of?
Clubsport - Really fast in a straight line but with no aero slower through the corners Getting on a bit now so look out for Chassis cracks etc
Prosport - 1300 version is pretty quick 1500 version is very fast but a handful as the aero is not up to the straight line speed. Also becoming a bit long in the tooth.
SR4 1300 - Good car to start Radical racing in, there are a lot around since the demise of the Biduro Championship although they are becoming popular in the Club Cup
SR3 - 1300 Dog slow. 1500 Pretty quick in the right hands and with the latest aero very fast in the corners
PR06 - 1300 Great car. 1500 Faster than an SR3
Clubsport - Really fast in a straight line but with no aero slower through the corners Getting on a bit now so look out for Chassis cracks etc
Prosport - 1300 version is pretty quick 1500 version is very fast but a handful as the aero is not up to the straight line speed. Also becoming a bit long in the tooth.
SR4 1300 - Good car to start Radical racing in, there are a lot around since the demise of the Biduro Championship although they are becoming popular in the Club Cup
SR3 - 1300 Dog slow. 1500 Pretty quick in the right hands and with the latest aero very fast in the corners
PR06 - 1300 Great car. 1500 Faster than an SR3
One of the key things if one were starting out is cost. Whilst overall, I am not sure there is a great deal of difference in running costs between a clubsport or pr06, the cost of purchase will be very different!
I imagine the costs of replacing a completely lunched big hyabusa will be much more than a lunched ZZR1100, I would think that refresh costs will be of the same order of magnitude.
Is a 1300 SR3 dog slow? Never driven one.
Bert
I imagine the costs of replacing a completely lunched big hyabusa will be much more than a lunched ZZR1100, I would think that refresh costs will be of the same order of magnitude.
Is a 1300 SR3 dog slow? Never driven one.
Bert
fergus said:
Engine costs aren't a worry to me!
In that case, give Nick Dove a ring @ Radical and ask him to email you the order form for a new SR8 LM .............. mention my name. Do you have any idea what a new Radical costs, particularly when it's been 'breathed on'?That source appears to be the font of KFA ......... t'is true that a standard 1300 SR3 is one of the least rapid Radicals ........... but a 997 GT3RS (and virtually anything else you could name) would still be a light breakfast for it in equal hands on virtually every race track anywhere.
Clubsport - Really fast in a straight line but with no aero slower through the corners Getting on a bit now so look out for Chassis cracks etc
Chassis cracks are a risk but not a big issue imho as they can be fixed easily. Other than that the description is pretty spot on
Prosport - 1300 version is pretty quick 1500 version is very fast but a handful as the aero is not up to the straight line speed. Also becoming a bit long in the tooth.
A great car to start racing in imho, and a well sorted and well driven Prosport won't be to far behind a PR6 but half the purchase cost. They are a lot more mechanical grip rather than aero which does make them more fun to drive imho
SR4 1300 - Good car to start Radical racing in, there are a lot around since the demise of the Biduro Championship although they are becoming popular in the Club Cup
Fantastic trackday car but seems a bit off the pace when compared to the other cars on the list. Still a great introduction to Radicals
SR3 - 1300 Dog slow. 1500 Pretty quick in the right hands and with the latest aero very fast in the corners
Think "dog slow" is a bit harsh, and tbh the 1500 doesn't exactly set the work alight particularly if you've just jumped out of a Prosport, that extra weight makes such a difference. But once on song they have superior aero and stick like s
t to a blanket in the corners
PR06 - 1300 Great car. 1500 Faster than an SR3
Radical of the moment I'd say, had a very rockey start but Radical seem to have made a perfect club racer with the PR6. If I was in the market for a Radical to race this would be the one I'd buy. Quicker than a SR3 with same engine spec, again that extra weight has gone but has improved aero over the Prosport it replaced.]
Chassis cracks are a risk but not a big issue imho as they can be fixed easily. Other than that the description is pretty spot on
Prosport - 1300 version is pretty quick 1500 version is very fast but a handful as the aero is not up to the straight line speed. Also becoming a bit long in the tooth.
A great car to start racing in imho, and a well sorted and well driven Prosport won't be to far behind a PR6 but half the purchase cost. They are a lot more mechanical grip rather than aero which does make them more fun to drive imho
SR4 1300 - Good car to start Radical racing in, there are a lot around since the demise of the Biduro Championship although they are becoming popular in the Club Cup
Fantastic trackday car but seems a bit off the pace when compared to the other cars on the list. Still a great introduction to Radicals
SR3 - 1300 Dog slow. 1500 Pretty quick in the right hands and with the latest aero very fast in the corners
Think "dog slow" is a bit harsh, and tbh the 1500 doesn't exactly set the work alight particularly if you've just jumped out of a Prosport, that extra weight makes such a difference. But once on song they have superior aero and stick like s
t to a blanket in the cornersPR06 - 1300 Great car. 1500 Faster than an SR3
Radical of the moment I'd say, had a very rockey start but Radical seem to have made a perfect club racer with the PR6. If I was in the market for a Radical to race this would be the one I'd buy. Quicker than a SR3 with same engine spec, again that extra weight has gone but has improved aero over the Prosport it replaced.]
Edited by RobC on Friday 31st July 20:36
Hi Fergus,
I'm looking for sponsors, anyone who say's Radical engine costs aren't a worry I would like to meet, drop me a mail
Simon
www.tillingmotorsport.com
Oh, and I wouldn't write the SR3 off either...
I'm looking for sponsors, anyone who say's Radical engine costs aren't a worry I would like to meet, drop me a mail
Simon
www.tillingmotorsport.com
Oh, and I wouldn't write the SR3 off either...
Edited by Simon T on Saturday 1st August 05:14
Simon T said:
Hi Fergus,
I'm looking for sponsors, anyone who say's Radical engine costs aren't a worry I would like to meet, drop me a mail
Simon
www.tillingmotorsport.com
Oh, and I wouldn't write the SR3 off either...
SimonI'm looking for sponsors, anyone who say's Radical engine costs aren't a worry I would like to meet, drop me a mail
Simon
www.tillingmotorsport.com
Oh, and I wouldn't write the SR3 off either...
Hi. It's not that costs aren't a worry per se, but I know a couple of ex crescent suzuki engine builders who can help me out if things go pop! They also know lots of setup mods, etc. I'm aware that several series require powertec seals to be in place however....!
I'm seriously considering a Radical for 2010, but am investigating the differences between the various models initially. Any further general info (PM'd if you'd prefer not to put it on a forum) would be greatly appreciated!
PS which logging package did you use to create the CC video on your site?
Fergus > Suggestion
Next RCC event is at Croft Saturday 22 of this month. There's the usual RMA Friday Trackday (but not a trackday as most would expect it) the day prior - would be a good opportunity to see and feel all types of Radicals and to talk to the blokes that live, drive, pay for, maintain and prep them. They'll show and tell you what's what; Radical Owners wind/banter each other up unmercifully, but it's all good clean fun; nowhere will you find a friendlier and more helpful bunch of blokes in and around the same make of car ....... For example, Jonathan Wright was seen giving a hand to Darren Luke at Donington - for me, that encapsulates what it's all about. Brilliant.
The Friday jobbie is more relaxed time pressure-wise, so people will have the time to show you the ropes. Good chance of a passenger ride with some startling quick drivers ........... bring your helmet ....... and the brave pills.
Next RCC event is at Croft Saturday 22 of this month. There's the usual RMA Friday Trackday (but not a trackday as most would expect it) the day prior - would be a good opportunity to see and feel all types of Radicals and to talk to the blokes that live, drive, pay for, maintain and prep them. They'll show and tell you what's what; Radical Owners wind/banter each other up unmercifully, but it's all good clean fun; nowhere will you find a friendlier and more helpful bunch of blokes in and around the same make of car ....... For example, Jonathan Wright was seen giving a hand to Darren Luke at Donington - for me, that encapsulates what it's all about. Brilliant.
The Friday jobbie is more relaxed time pressure-wise, so people will have the time to show you the ropes. Good chance of a passenger ride with some startling quick drivers ........... bring your helmet ....... and the brave pills.
splitpin said:
Fergus > Suggestion
Next RCC event is at Croft Saturday 22 of this month. There's the usual RMA Friday Trackday (but not a trackday as most would expect it) the day prior - would be a good opportunity to see and feel all types of Radicals and to talk to the blokes that live, drive, pay for, maintain and prep them. They'll show and tell you what's what; Radical Owners wind/banter each other up unmercifully, but it's all good clean fun; nowhere will you find a friendlier and more helpful bunch of blokes in and around the same make of car ....... For example, Jonathan Wright was seen giving a hand to Darren Luke at Donington - for me, that encapsulates what it's all about. Brilliant.
The Friday jobbie is more relaxed time pressure-wise, so people will have the time to show you the ropes. Good chance of a passenger ride with some startling quick drivers ........... bring your helmet ....... and the brave pills.
SPNext RCC event is at Croft Saturday 22 of this month. There's the usual RMA Friday Trackday (but not a trackday as most would expect it) the day prior - would be a good opportunity to see and feel all types of Radicals and to talk to the blokes that live, drive, pay for, maintain and prep them. They'll show and tell you what's what; Radical Owners wind/banter each other up unmercifully, but it's all good clean fun; nowhere will you find a friendlier and more helpful bunch of blokes in and around the same make of car ....... For example, Jonathan Wright was seen giving a hand to Darren Luke at Donington - for me, that encapsulates what it's all about. Brilliant.
The Friday jobbie is more relaxed time pressure-wise, so people will have the time to show you the ropes. Good chance of a passenger ride with some startling quick drivers ........... bring your helmet ....... and the brave pills.
Useful suggestion, but I'm out of the country on that date.
At 6'5" and about 16 stone, would I even fit in a PR6? I've made enquires for a test drive with e factory, but no one's got back to me in over a week. I guess I need to chase them, and that their order book must be very full!
PS Racing with people is a lot more fun when you know there's a relaxed and friendly atmosphere in the paddock before/afterwards!
PPS which model HANS device suits a radical. I've got a 40 degree one at the moment (Saloon car), but suspect I'll need to buy another?!
I'm 5ft 11.98" ( guess where the .98 is ) and heavier than you. The pedals can be moved forward as can the seat be moved backwards.You may end up with more bend in the knees but I'll be surprsied if you don't fit. Best to go to the factory and have a try. If all else fails you can try mine - I'm based in Peterboro'
David
David
double d racing said:
I'm 5ft 11.98" ( guess where the .98 is ) and heavier than you. The pedals can be moved forward as can the seat be moved backwards.You may end up with more bend in the knees but I'll be surprsied if you don't fit. Best to go to the factory and have a try. If all else fails you can try mine - I'm based in Peterboro'
David
DaveDavid
thanks. I'm based in London, but will travel to try a car for seating. Most of my height is in my back (35" inseam). I can fit in my S3 narrow bodied caterham with a lowered floor and foam seat and the pedals on their middle setting. My size 13 feet also have "plenty" (slight exaggeration there) of room to H&T...
I've got to watch how I put this ...............
Darren is pretty tall (I'd guess a bit taller than me and I'm near enough 6'1" - or is it just that I look up to him cos of his huge pace) and (whereas I am built like a splitpin
) he is adequately built .............. but not as adequate as 42DD?
Darren, on that basis, do you reckon Fergus'll fit?
Darren is pretty tall (I'd guess a bit taller than me and I'm near enough 6'1" - or is it just that I look up to him cos of his huge pace) and (whereas I am built like a splitpin
) he is adequately built .............. but not as adequate as 42DD?Darren, on that basis, do you reckon Fergus'll fit?
Trev,
I must of been wearing my Sparco high heels that day! I'm actually bang on 6ft & about 86kg's, even so I had to move the pedal box to the furthest point forward & shorten the brake master push rods down to make myself fully comfortable in the car.
Fergus at 6ft 5in you may just fit with the seat tilted as much as possible, worst case I guess you will have to look at having to cast yourself a foam seat with some way of fibre glassing the side's to secure it in the car? Weight wise no problems there are different width seats available, quite a few of my fellow racers are of more generous proportions than I am & fit no problem at all
I must of been wearing my Sparco high heels that day! I'm actually bang on 6ft & about 86kg's, even so I had to move the pedal box to the furthest point forward & shorten the brake master push rods down to make myself fully comfortable in the car.
Fergus at 6ft 5in you may just fit with the seat tilted as much as possible, worst case I guess you will have to look at having to cast yourself a foam seat with some way of fibre glassing the side's to secure it in the car? Weight wise no problems there are different width seats available, quite a few of my fellow racers are of more generous proportions than I am & fit no problem at all
[quote=dsl2]Fergus at 6ft 5in you may just fit with the seat tilted as much as possible, worst case I guess you will have to look at having to cast yourself a foam seat with some way of fibre glassing the side's to secure it in the car?/quote]
A cast seat is usually more comfortable going on prev experience. I can't quite fit in a Jaguar Palmer 3.5 litre thingy, as the steering wheel is too tight on the my thighs due to the low rake on the steering column! I'm 3 stone down since I last tried, so I may have more luck if I tried now....
A cast seat is usually more comfortable going on prev experience. I can't quite fit in a Jaguar Palmer 3.5 litre thingy, as the steering wheel is too tight on the my thighs due to the low rake on the steering column! I'm 3 stone down since I last tried, so I may have more luck if I tried now....
i am 6,2 13.5 stone and i am a tight squeeze in a pro6 i would suggest at 6.5 and 16 stone is going to be a tighter squeeze an sr3 sounds about the right fit for you. seriously you cant drive a car that you cant fit in
as a previous owner of a 1300 sr3 i think dog slow is a bit unkind, i did brands indy in 48.9 . If you are running on a budget it is the one to go for and they are so easy to drive compared to a pro6
hope that helps
as a previous owner of a 1300 sr3 i think dog slow is a bit unkind, i did brands indy in 48.9 . If you are running on a budget it is the one to go for and they are so easy to drive compared to a pro6
hope that helps
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