RE: New Radical SR8LM

RE: New Radical SR8LM

Wednesday 4th July 2007

New Radical SR8LM

455bhp and Le Mans pace...


The new Radical SR8LM
The new Radical SR8LM
Radical is launching an even quicker version of the SR8.

The  SR8LM,  as  the  car  is  to  be  known,  is  powered  by  a  2.8  litre,  455bhp  Powertec  RPB  motor  which  is  based  on  the  hugely  successful  360bhp  RPA  motor.  

 Like  the  RPA,  the  RPB  utilises  Suzuki  GSXR  1300  cylinder  heads  mated  to  a  Powertec  designed  and  manufactured  crank  case  assembly.  

 Weighing  in  at  only  88kg  the  RPB  engine  incorporates  a  four pump  dry  sump  system  with  two  oil  pressure  pumps  and  integral  rotary  vane  water  pump.   Powertec  has uprated  both  the  cam  shafts  and  the cylinder  heads  and  fitted  purpose designed  forged  pistons  and  conrods.   

The  twin butterfly  plenum  induction  system  of  the  RPA  is  replaced  with  an  eight butterfly  direct  injection  system,  which is claimed to dramatically  improve  response  and  drivability.  The new engine can run for 30 hours between rebuilds, according to its makers.

Radical  have  also  installed  an  ‘in house  designed’  Powertec  P tec  six speed  transaxle  which  transmits  the  455bhp  and  10,500  maximum  rpm  of  the  Powertec  motor  to  the  circuit.   Gear change  is  via  Radical’s  own  paddle operated  power  shifter  which  allows  flat  shifts  going  up  the  box  and  automatically  ‘blips’  the  throttle  going  down.   A  considerable  amount  of  work  has  been  carried  out  to  match  the  Powertec  P tec  transaxle  with  the  pneumatically operated  Powertec  PS1  shifter.  

The  result  of  all  this  technology  is  a  car  claimed to be capable  of  matching  a  Le  Mans  prototype  around  most  circuits,  hence  the  ‘LM’  designation.  

 Radical  co founder,  Mick  Hyde  elaborates,  “Many  of  our  customers  worldwide,  race  their  Radicals  in  multi make  sports  car  series  and  require  a  car  that  will  beat  all comers. The SR8 is that car.   It  is  the  fastest  off the shelf  sports  racer  in  the  world  (actually  it  takes  six  weeks  to  build  one)  and  at  £89K  ready  to  race,  the  SR8LM  is  also  extremely  good  value.”  

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Beefmeister

Original Poster:

16,482 posts

236 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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Fook me, thats gonna be quick....

'Ring record, anyone?

ASBO

26,140 posts

220 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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Looks like someones trying to urinate on Caparo's chips.

could just be coincedental timing though scratchchin

mchammer89

3,127 posts

219 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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Beefmeister said:
Fook me, thats gonna be quick....

'Ring record, anyone?
I'm pretty sure the old Radical still holds the record of 6:55, assuming they can find someone very, very fast and who doesn't have a particular fondness for life, should be a new record.

lockup

383 posts

248 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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No way will that be quicker than a bike round the TT course.

thegman

1,928 posts

210 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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is 30 hours engine life a long time?

FourWheelDrift

89,414 posts

290 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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lockup said:
No way will that be quicker than a bike round the TT course.
Who said it would be? They don't race cars on the Isle of Man TT course.

Beside's if it could it would probably would be quicker than a bike, they lose out on longer braking distance and cornering speeds.

Edited by FourWheelDrift on Wednesday 4th July 13:31

jjwprestidge

36 posts

209 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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lockup said:
No way will that be quicker than a bike round the TT course.
Oh dear - there's always one. Tell me, then, what is quicker round Silverstone - an F1 car or a MotoGP bike?

I seem to remember EVO racing a British Superbike against an SR4 at Oulton Park (or somewhere fairly narrow). The bike won by a very small margin, but it was a very windy track with a lack of high speed corners, and the SR4 was straight out of the box, whilst the bike was fully set up for the specific track. The SR8 is a much faster car with more downforce and far more power; I can't see a bike beating it in most circumstances.

JP


Alex Gurr

420 posts

253 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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jjwprestidge said:
lockup said:
No way will that be quicker than a bike round the TT course.
Oh dear - there's always one. Tell me, then, what is quicker round Silverstone - an F1 car or a MotoGP bike?

I seem to remember EVO racing a British Superbike against an SR4 at Oulton Park (or somewhere fairly narrow). The bike won by a very small margin, but it was a very windy track with a lack of high speed corners, and the SR4 was straight out of the box, whilst the bike was fully set up for the specific track. The SR8 is a much faster car with more downforce and far more power; I can't see a bike beating it in most circumstances.

JP
I think you guys need to look at the smiley at the top of his post smile

Shakiras peaches

5,616 posts

220 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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mchammer89 said:
Beefmeister said:
Fook me, thats gonna be quick....

'Ring record, anyone?
I'm pretty sure the old Radical still holds the record of 6:55, assuming they can find someone very, very fast and who doesn't have a particular fondness for life, should be a new record.
I thought it wasn't official since they didn't deem the radical to be a road car?

And with an engine that can "run for 30 hours between rebuilds, according to its makers" I can't see this beating the "official" record either, though it might well knock 10s off the unofficial one...

(Standing by to be corrected) coffee


general190

252 posts

209 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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a Moto GP bike would prob beat an F1 car would it not? i read that a moto GP bike accelerates faster in 3rd than a F1 car does in 1st.

ok, the radical might be fatser round the ring than a GSXR 1000 (172Kg and 189bhp) but the radical needs an engine rebuild every 30hours and costs £89,000.00 the GSXR 1000 costs £8900.00 AND you could ride it everyday and not have anywhere near the expense.

its not realy a fair competition, if you compared an £89k bike you would get a fairer comparison, and then your lookin at a WSB (World Super Bike).

dnt know why someone was comlaining about a SR4 being compared to a BSB (british super Bike), i mean the radical is not a road car! its a racing car, so you compare it to a racing bike. i love both cars and bikes and im willing to accept that. put the bike and radical on an open circuit and you would get a bigger gap as the top road bikes now have a power to weight ratio of 1100Bhp per tonne, so expect more from a BSB bike.

jsr

1,155 posts

256 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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general190 said:
a Moto GP bike would prob beat an F1 car would it not? i read that a moto GP bike accelerates faster in 3rd than a F1 car does in 1st.
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't. Even if the bike could accelerate a bit quicker than the F1 car, the bike would not be able to corner at anywhere near the speed of the F1 car. The bike has mechanical grip only, the F1 car has HUGE amounts of aerodynamic downforce on top of mechanical grip.

Anyway, back to the original thread...

The Radical sounds awesome, but i wonder how much it would cost to rebuild the engine every 30 hours?! Far too quick a car for my driving skill i'm afraid frown

groomi

9,319 posts

249 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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I think the 'road car' designation is getting a bit pathetic now with this car. Yes it looks great and the spec is awesome, but it's a race car available for general purchase. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pesmo

150 posts

245 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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Can you even buy a kit to make it road legal ?

TIGA84

5,279 posts

237 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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ASBO said:
Looks like someones trying to urinate on Caparo's chips.

could just be coincedental timing though scratchchin
Been in the wings for a while I think, more coincidental than competition.

I thought it was going to be nearer £150k? Seems cheap for that pace.

Get Vergers in it ASAP. He's got 44 seconds to find..................

FourWheelDrift

89,414 posts

290 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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Alex Gurr said:
I think you guys need to look at the smiley at the top of his post smile
Post header smileys haven't been working properly for some people, they get stuck or changed to another and can't be edited back. For example some have been getting rage smileys even when they didn't chose it. So sometimes you can't be sure.

smile <----------That one is meant. smile

shoestring7

6,139 posts

252 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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I watched the wet Knockhill BSB round at the weekend. The bike were clearly capable of massive acceleration, but the things were full throttle for all of ~10% a lap, and their braking distances were huge.

Its the bikestiny contact patch and zero downforce vs a cars' four fat slicks and aero downforce that makes a car faster over almost any circuit.

The Radical looks pretty awesome for GT3 money!

SS7

RosCabezas

118 posts

259 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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general190 said:
a Moto GP bike would prob beat an F1 car would it not?
The pole position time this year in Montmelo (shared by MotoGP and F1) was 1:20.597 for Felipe Massa (F1) and 1:41.840 for Valentino Rossi (MotoGP). So, there's about 15% difference between them.

dinkel

27,123 posts

264 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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thegman said:
is 30 hours engine life a long time?
Well?

L100NYY

35,458 posts

249 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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dinkel said:
thegman said:
is 30 hours engine life a long time?
Well?
Ten to fifteen trackdays.

emicen

8,690 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th July 2007
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RosCabezas said:
general190 said:
a Moto GP bike would prob beat an F1 car would it not?
The pole position time this year in Montmelo (shared by MotoGP and F1) was 1:20.597 for Felipe Massa (F1) and 1:41.840 for Valentino Rossi (MotoGP). So, there's about 15% difference between them.
1min 20 for the car ~ 80s
1min 41 for the bike ~ 101s

101/80 = Bike is 26% slower. wink

(alternatively, 80/101 = car is 21% faster, not sure how you want to cut it)