Desperate Clubsport Racer Seeks Dry-Sump Oil Tank
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My mission to convert my Clubsport to dry-sump made a good start when I purchased a good secondhand sump pan from Van Kaiser (Thanks Van), but has now run onto the rocks because I can't find a tank. With a brand-spanking new one from Radical costing over £400 (
), I'm desperate to find some alternative.
I've looked at after-market options, but can't find one with sufficient capacty that will fit in the tight space. I thought of fitting a tank outside the engine bay, behind the cooler, but I'm advised by those who know, that the tank really ought to sit as centrally as possible. (Craig: unfortunately, the big tank you sent me was too fat to sit behind the cooler - doh!).
The upshot is, I'm left with 3 options.
1. Dig deep
2. Find one secondhand
3. Get someone to make a good copy
Does anyone (a Hayabusa convertee perhaps?) have a spare Clubsport tank under the bench? Failing that, is there anyone who would be prepared to lend me a tank for a couple of weeks so I can get a copy made?
Yours (on knees in pleading desperation!)
Laurence
), I'm desperate to find some alternative. I've looked at after-market options, but can't find one with sufficient capacty that will fit in the tight space. I thought of fitting a tank outside the engine bay, behind the cooler, but I'm advised by those who know, that the tank really ought to sit as centrally as possible. (Craig: unfortunately, the big tank you sent me was too fat to sit behind the cooler - doh!).
The upshot is, I'm left with 3 options.
1. Dig deep
2. Find one secondhand
3. Get someone to make a good copy
Does anyone (a Hayabusa convertee perhaps?) have a spare Clubsport tank under the bench? Failing that, is there anyone who would be prepared to lend me a tank for a couple of weeks so I can get a copy made?
Yours (on knees in pleading desperation!)
Laurence
I converted my ZX10 powered Radical to dry sump quite a while ago and used a Pace tank with some modifications.
It actually fit in with careful planning and having a friend who could do some aluminum welding.
I later used it when I converted to Hayabusa but it needed more modifications since that motor and exhaust are much wider than the Kawasakis.
Among other reasons the pace tank is better is that it can be disassembled for cleaning.
Here's a thread I did about it on my forum:
[url]http://p097.ezboard.com/fsocalpeepsfr[/url]
It actually fit in with careful planning and having a friend who could do some aluminum welding.
I later used it when I converted to Hayabusa but it needed more modifications since that motor and exhaust are much wider than the Kawasakis.
Among other reasons the pace tank is better is that it can be disassembled for cleaning.
Here's a thread I did about it on my forum:
[url]http://p097.ezboard.com/fsocalpeepsfr[/url]
Give Mark at Mansol Motorsport a call he has a LOT of spares for sale
www.manasolmotorsport.co.uk
Simon
www.manasolmotorsport.co.uk
Simon
All - Thanks for replies. Keep 'em coming (especially if you want to sell me a tank!)
Pete – thanks for feedback – your conversion is a testament to the notion that ‘Where there’s a will, there’s a way'. Your comment regarding air flow blockage caused by anything mounted behind the cooler convinces me I’ll have to fit a tank in its intended space envelope, front right of the engine. Look’s like you used Pace’s 6.5” dia x 14” tank – right?
Simon – Yep, tried Mark Sutterby – doesn’t have one at the moment, but will keep looking. Also tried Van Kaiser and Woody at RSR to no avail. Any other likely sources?
Graham – Great offer, thanks. I’m in the New Forest area so not too too far from Epsom. I’ll email to see if we can arrange something.
General Comment on Oil Tanks in Radicals: Spoke to neil@paceproducts.co.uk. He reckons that though the Clubsport tank is a neat installation, its capacity is very marginal. What conclusion can we draw from this? If you're doing a Prosport conversion to a Clubsport don’t use the Clubsport tank – it aint big enough for the Hayabusa – sell it to me and buy a Prosport tank!
Again, thanks all
Laurence
Pete – thanks for feedback – your conversion is a testament to the notion that ‘Where there’s a will, there’s a way'. Your comment regarding air flow blockage caused by anything mounted behind the cooler convinces me I’ll have to fit a tank in its intended space envelope, front right of the engine. Look’s like you used Pace’s 6.5” dia x 14” tank – right?
Simon – Yep, tried Mark Sutterby – doesn’t have one at the moment, but will keep looking. Also tried Van Kaiser and Woody at RSR to no avail. Any other likely sources?
Graham – Great offer, thanks. I’m in the New Forest area so not too too far from Epsom. I’ll email to see if we can arrange something.
General Comment on Oil Tanks in Radicals: Spoke to neil@paceproducts.co.uk. He reckons that though the Clubsport tank is a neat installation, its capacity is very marginal. What conclusion can we draw from this? If you're doing a Prosport conversion to a Clubsport don’t use the Clubsport tank – it aint big enough for the Hayabusa – sell it to me and buy a Prosport tank!
Again, thanks all
Laurence
Yep, the 6.5" x 14" tank and a couple of hours of careful planning and a guy to do a bit of aluminum welding. The only modification I did later to make it work for the Hayabusa was I had to have a section cut out for header clearance. My TTS dry-sump system is all AN12 and the tank already had AN12 fittings (which I'd had to put converters on for the Kawasaki system).
I had to change to an AN12 oil cooler that was a bit narrower than the original Radical one but I still run 1" of tape on it and haven't had ANY oil temperature issues even when running the car on one test day where it was 116 degrees F ambient.
I also had a custom exhaust fabricated when I did the Busa conversion so the exhaust was designed to fit around the tank that I'd come to love so much hehehehe.
And with the exhaust in place...there doesn't have to be much clearance in my experience...there just doesn't seem to be meaningful heat transfer from the exhaust to the tank even with clearances of only 1/8" in some areas.
I had to change to an AN12 oil cooler that was a bit narrower than the original Radical one but I still run 1" of tape on it and haven't had ANY oil temperature issues even when running the car on one test day where it was 116 degrees F ambient.
I also had a custom exhaust fabricated when I did the Busa conversion so the exhaust was designed to fit around the tank that I'd come to love so much hehehehe.
And with the exhaust in place...there doesn't have to be much clearance in my experience...there just doesn't seem to be meaningful heat transfer from the exhaust to the tank even with clearances of only 1/8" in some areas.
Hi Pete. Thanks for the further feedback on the modified dry-sump tank - the installation is a real credit to your ingenuity.
I've been scouting around the UK aluminium fabricators that specialise in oil tanks and found one (one of the best by some accounts) who says he'll do me a tank that'll fit within the Clubsport envelope, but better - more efficient baffles, giving more effective de-aeration, and at a good price
I'll let people know how I get on in due course.
Cheers
Laurence
I've been scouting around the UK aluminium fabricators that specialise in oil tanks and found one (one of the best by some accounts) who says he'll do me a tank that'll fit within the Clubsport envelope, but better - more efficient baffles, giving more effective de-aeration, and at a good price
I'll let people know how I get on in due course.
Cheers
Laurence
Hi Rob
These look like the Pace products 'Easi-Clean' tanks. Pete (NASAracer) did some heavy surgery on the 6.5" x 14" version, to shoe-horn it into the (limited) space in the Clubsport (see Pete's earlier response). Problem is, space is limited by the close proximity of the RH exhaust primary, the RH engine mounting bolt and the removable engine-bay diagonal. It makes it all so tight, you've either got to go the NASA route or get an accurate copy made. With the greatly apreciated offer of borrowing Graham's as a pattern, I've chosen to go the latter route and, like I say, I'll let everyone know how I get on.
Cheers
Laurence
These look like the Pace products 'Easi-Clean' tanks. Pete (NASAracer) did some heavy surgery on the 6.5" x 14" version, to shoe-horn it into the (limited) space in the Clubsport (see Pete's earlier response). Problem is, space is limited by the close proximity of the RH exhaust primary, the RH engine mounting bolt and the removable engine-bay diagonal. It makes it all so tight, you've either got to go the NASA route or get an accurate copy made. With the greatly apreciated offer of borrowing Graham's as a pattern, I've chosen to go the latter route and, like I say, I'll let everyone know how I get on.
Cheers
Laurence
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