Insane collision and spin at Watkins Glen
Discussion
We had a fantastic race at the historic Watkins Glen former F1 race track this past weekend. Plenty of changing conditions and lots of action. This collision might be one of the most amazing pieces of Radical footage I have every seen. My son was kind enough to edit all the videos together. Let me know what you think.
BTW - this was not me, but a few other guys we race with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDIh_s1_0T4
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BTW - this was not me, but a few other guys we race with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDIh_s1_0T4
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If you are in front of another car you choose your line and the following car has to adjust. Am I wrong? In a turn it can be tricky when it is unclear who is in front. I think it is quite clear that the yellow car was in front when he turned in. It does not really matter in this incident that the white car is overall faster. Very interested in what others think.
Oh well, atleast he kept it out of the barriers and these things do make life more interesting 
(Or your surname is Maldonado)BioBa said:
If you are in front of another car you choose your line and the following car has to adjust. Am I wrong? In a turn it can be tricky when it is unclear who is in front. I think it is quite clear that the yellow car was in front when he turned in. It does not really matter in this incident that the white car is overall faster. Very interested in what others think.
I don't think it's a case of who is in front. Its more about the overlap and common sense. The yellow guy looked several times yet still turned in on someone. If he wanted to defend he needed to take a defensive line against a much faster car. You can't just turn in on someone without the obvious consequences. So to me yellow guy got it wrong!Bert (absolute expert in not careering in to people honest)
I wish I could race with you "nice guys" who look out for each other. I have some real idiots on my track who would completely disagree with your assessment of this incident. They think that as long as you are at least half a length ahead of the following car you choose your line and squeeze anyone behind you into submission. Basically you need to outbreak someone decisively to be hopefully parallel with them to make sure no one turns in on you. You can't rely on the common sense of some guys.
BioBa said:
I wish I could race with you "nice guys" who look out for each other. I have some real idiots on my track who would completely disagree with your assessment of this incident. They think that as long as you are at least half a length ahead of the following car you choose your line and squeeze anyone behind you into submission. Basically you need to outbreak someone decisively to be hopefully parallel with them to make sure no one turns in on you. You can't rely on the common sense of some guys.
Of course it could be that yellow guy did just that. Saw the overlap, thought f*** you and turned in.My reasoning for him being wrong was twofold...the CoC should have deemed his actions wrong and his judgment on the outcome was wrong and sense would have told him that.
Now knowing he is a nice guy from the character reference means we think he just made the wrong choice. But he must have been thinking it was the right choice as he looked several times, saw the faster car and still turned in. Maybe he was right, turned in closed the door and white man still kept coming. Not convinced though.
Bert
I've watched this several times. At around the 33 second mark it shows that the following white car was about half to two thirds alongside the yellow car. You can't trust the angle of the camera due to its lens...
So yellow car can
Yield by braking or lifting and let white through.
Keep his foot in but go wider which makes the wall very attracting...
Turn in ( hopefully ) calculating it can be done....bottom twitching...
Turn, hoping the white car will yield.....
However the white car is not blameless...he placed his car in exactly the place that the yellow car would turn in, therefore placing himself in the danger area, and assumed that the yellow car would yield or not turn in.
So this all happened in a second or less...
In the perfect world the yellow should have moved over to defend the inner line, earlier and forced Mr White to go round the outside......
What would I have done if I had been in either car........ask me on/after the event..
So yellow car can
Yield by braking or lifting and let white through.
Keep his foot in but go wider which makes the wall very attracting...
Turn in ( hopefully ) calculating it can be done....bottom twitching...
Turn, hoping the white car will yield.....
However the white car is not blameless...he placed his car in exactly the place that the yellow car would turn in, therefore placing himself in the danger area, and assumed that the yellow car would yield or not turn in.
So this all happened in a second or less...
In the perfect world the yellow should have moved over to defend the inner line, earlier and forced Mr White to go round the outside......
What would I have done if I had been in either car........ask me on/after the event..
I drive The Glen a lot and have noticed that many drivers don't honor the blem-line coming out of the puts and generally do crazy stuff at turn 1 and 2. (like using the extra real-estate past the track out on T1 (no you are not supposed to be out there). Luckily this didn't happen at the top of the Esses or the results might have been MUCH different.
This video reminds me of an event I was driving there last year in my SR8: had a driver point me by inside of T8 and then went for the apex. I had nowhere to go, but miraculously missed him after getting sideways. He had no idea what he had done wrong.
This video reminds me of an event I was driving there last year in my SR8: had a driver point me by inside of T8 and then went for the apex. I had nowhere to go, but miraculously missed him after getting sideways. He had no idea what he had done wrong.
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