clubsport aero packages
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are there any tried and tested aero packages avialable for the clubby? my initial feeling when driving the car is that it has very good mechanical grip (compared to what im used to) but no real aero. if upgrading things on the car i feel the aero would be a good place to start over the winter before thnking about more power next winter!
currently i have front splitter,side skirts,rear carbon venturi undertray and gurney on tail. id like as good aero as possible for the car as im starting sprinting next year (starting in the blyton series)and hopefully a few more. any recommendations on who could do this for me to get around pr6 levels of downforce? budget circa £750-£1000, cheers. this is a pic of current setup
currently i have front splitter,side skirts,rear carbon venturi undertray and gurney on tail. id like as good aero as possible for the car as im starting sprinting next year (starting in the blyton series)and hopefully a few more. any recommendations on who could do this for me to get around pr6 levels of downforce? budget circa £750-£1000, cheers. this is a pic of current setup
josh. ive mailed re wheels and tyres a few days back but no reply cheers.
i do need time in the car but would like an aero package so if anyone has any help or constructive advice id be very greatful.im new to these cars and an unsure on setups but been working away in the garage to try and sort things. fitted a data logger to aid my driving and am out on track again next week. cheers
i do need time in the car but would like an aero package so if anyone has any help or constructive advice id be very greatful.im new to these cars and an unsure on setups but been working away in the garage to try and sort things. fitted a data logger to aid my driving and am out on track again next week. cheers
also. im in the process of buying josh's wheels and had the car set up. need to work on wet conditions and not been out in cold yet, so still learning.and unlike some my budget is not massive so i do need the advice. if aero is not the way to go after new wheels/tryes/setup/data logging. then can someone advise me on making me a touch quicker without mega money?
i feel im doing all i can to improve myself on the funds i have availble!
i feel im doing all i can to improve myself on the funds i have availble!
I think LCM is referring to the large turnover in cars you've had this year. If you're going to flog the car before you start work on the plans, then is it worth his time? Irrespective of that, he knows his stuff on the aero side.
The first port of call is some sidepods that vent air from inside the arches. That'll give you scope for a front undertray with a diffuser element to generate some front downforce. You can balance that out at the rear with a bigger diffuser or a wing - not sure what you've got out the back there.
The first port of call is some sidepods that vent air from inside the arches. That'll give you scope for a front undertray with a diffuser element to generate some front downforce. You can balance that out at the rear with a bigger diffuser or a wing - not sure what you've got out the back there.
LCM's comments seem harsh but thats the problem with the written word....its permanent and can be miscontrued !
I understand the need/want for all the bells and whsitles to go on the car ( and by gum have I done enough of that myself ), but the blunt answer is why bother until you are driving the thing at 110%. Once you're getting the MOST from the car then maybe thats the time to look at improving the car itself.
Furthermore if you've got the car at its limit, you can then evaluate any further changes from that base line..
Again said from personal experience !
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I understand the need/want for all the bells and whsitles to go on the car ( and by gum have I done enough of that myself ), but the blunt answer is why bother until you are driving the thing at 110%. Once you're getting the MOST from the car then maybe thats the time to look at improving the car itself.
Furthermore if you've got the car at its limit, you can then evaluate any further changes from that base line..
Again said from personal experience !
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thats fine guys.ill leave it alone for now then until im getting more familiar with it. im fine with LCM post. hes been helpful to me on more than one occasion with setup details and things and going out of his way to help.
i really like the clubsport and get a real thrill when driving it so i will be running the car for sprints next year with the ultimate goal bieng having an sr3 one day for track use. thanks
i really like the clubsport and get a real thrill when driving it so i will be running the car for sprints next year with the ultimate goal bieng having an sr3 one day for track use. thanks
harsh but fair advice - however it is your money...Josh/Arc Angels woudl be a good place to go to upgrade a Clubsport - and there is a lot you can do to get it to PR6 levels of downforce and beyond....
However I think you are doing the right thing. Spend all your budget getting on track as much as possible.... doing test days rather than track days means you can chase lap times, and overtake cars anywhere. You will learn more driving without aero and be better when you get it...
if I was you, i would practice LOTS and trade in the CLubsport for a PR6 or Prosport when funds allow.
enjoy!!
However I think you are doing the right thing. Spend all your budget getting on track as much as possible.... doing test days rather than track days means you can chase lap times, and overtake cars anywhere. You will learn more driving without aero and be better when you get it...
if I was you, i would practice LOTS and trade in the CLubsport for a PR6 or Prosport when funds allow.
enjoy!!
You folks are MUCH more knowledgeable than I, but I thought I'd share some experience and perspectives. If my experiences are useful to someone, great. If anyone has any suggestions for me, I'm appreciative.
After many years of great fun and modest success in club racing with various cars, I acquired an older ProSport (serial # 40) a bit over a year ago. It's my first car with any pretensions of aero, and I find it quite a challenge to drive well. From that perspective, I' wonder if a new ClubSport owner oughtn't make his aero mods BEFORE learning to drive the car. I find it hard to overcome my intuitive limits of what the car can do.
My car came with a wide aluminum wing (with a small Gurney flap), a substantial CF rear diffuser (Beasley), front dive planes, and a substantial CF front crash box and CF front splitter with two diffusers. I drove it that way for several months. Then I opened passages from the front of each side pod to the outside of the pod, lining them to create clean ducts. That venting of the front wheel wells significantly increased my front downforce, even though the car already had vents on top of the fenders. The car is now slightly loose. I run my rear wing on the second-to-flattest (of 4) settings. I find that overall handling balance is quite dependent on rear ride height (I run the front at 2 3/8", zero-drooped in front with Penske two-ways at all corners.). The difference between my car and a ClubSport without aero is substantial -- when I try drive the car (during setup at the track) without the rear body and rear wing, it is almost uncontrollable; any braking that's not in a straight line will result in a spin.
So my thoughts are that "learning" to drive the ClubSport before aero mods will teach behaviors that will have to be unlearned before ProSport learning can start.
FWIW
After many years of great fun and modest success in club racing with various cars, I acquired an older ProSport (serial # 40) a bit over a year ago. It's my first car with any pretensions of aero, and I find it quite a challenge to drive well. From that perspective, I' wonder if a new ClubSport owner oughtn't make his aero mods BEFORE learning to drive the car. I find it hard to overcome my intuitive limits of what the car can do.
My car came with a wide aluminum wing (with a small Gurney flap), a substantial CF rear diffuser (Beasley), front dive planes, and a substantial CF front crash box and CF front splitter with two diffusers. I drove it that way for several months. Then I opened passages from the front of each side pod to the outside of the pod, lining them to create clean ducts. That venting of the front wheel wells significantly increased my front downforce, even though the car already had vents on top of the fenders. The car is now slightly loose. I run my rear wing on the second-to-flattest (of 4) settings. I find that overall handling balance is quite dependent on rear ride height (I run the front at 2 3/8", zero-drooped in front with Penske two-ways at all corners.). The difference between my car and a ClubSport without aero is substantial -- when I try drive the car (during setup at the track) without the rear body and rear wing, it is almost uncontrollable; any braking that's not in a straight line will result in a spin.
So my thoughts are that "learning" to drive the ClubSport before aero mods will teach behaviors that will have to be unlearned before ProSport learning can start.
FWIW
So the easiest way to ruin a clubsport is to stick a prosport wing on the back and deal with the terminal understeer that results. If you mod the front to get high down force then the poxy 1100cc motor doesn't cut it.
I'd focus on learning how to drive it first as standard, then change it for a pr6 or SR3.
A mate of mine tells me that a well driven clubby can go faster than a poorly driven sr3 at oulton!
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I'd focus on learning how to drive it first as standard, then change it for a pr6 or SR3.
A mate of mine tells me that a well driven clubby can go faster than a poorly driven sr3 at oulton!
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thanks very much for the help guys. ill save myself a few quid and do a few more trackdays instead. i will do my very best not to embarrass myself once i start competing at club level sprints. but i feel sure i will! cheers
i wrongly thought that extra downforce would have helped me in the wet,as i was out of my depth and out of control last time out.and i was alone which was a pain as it makes removing body pannels to alter things a bit of an issue!cheers again
i wrongly thought that extra downforce would have helped me in the wet,as i was out of my depth and out of control last time out.and i was alone which was a pain as it makes removing body pannels to alter things a bit of an issue!cheers again
Edited by mnrvortxf20c on Wednesday 30th October 21:06
mnrvortxf20c said:
thanks very much for the help guys. ill save myself a few quid and do a few more trackdays instead. i will do my very best not to embarrass myself once i start competing at club level sprints. but i feel sure i will! cheers
i wrongly thought that extra downforce would have helped me in the wet,as i was out of my depth and out of control last time out.and i was alone which was a pain as it makes removing body pannels to alter things a bit of an issue!cheers again
So you need some help. It's hard to get it all working right on your own. Someone who can engineer and give some driving help would be perfect. You need to be able to drive the balls off it first.i wrongly thought that extra downforce would have helped me in the wet,as i was out of my depth and out of control last time out.and i was alone which was a pain as it makes removing body pannels to alter things a bit of an issue!cheers again
Edited by mnrvortxf20c on Wednesday 30th October 21:06
Bert
thanks very much. it took a while for me to wipe the tears of laughter out of my eyes after reading the first half of the thread,before i could read that. thanks.i was at oulton park on friday but it was so slippery in certain areas that it wasnt worth pushing hard and risking a disaster! its a shame a few of the other guys didnt share the same opinion. as i imagine they were kicking themselves when they were getting collected from the barriers by the low loader and dragged back to the pits. once again,druids took a few casualties.
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