whats an ideal budget trailer for clubsport/prosport etc?

[mnrvortxf20c]

hi all. im still lurking around trying to find possible ways of buying my first radical and one of those which could help is by selling my brian james twin axle clubman,with whinch and hydraulic tiltbed and buying a smaller cheaper twin axle.
one reason is my clubman is far too big for my current setup and the other is with a gross weight of 1840kgs it puts me over 3500kgs with tow car,which ive only just realised (didnt realise gvw of tow car was so much higher than curb weight)
what would you guys go for on a budget with the radicals very low ground clearence? cheers or would anyone fancy a swap plus cash my way?

[splitpin]

Presumably, you're falling foul of this little (daft as usual) gem? And I quote ........

Licences held from 1 January 1997

If you passed your driving test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B (car) licence, you can drive either:

a vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes or 3,500 kilograms (kg) Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (with a combined weight of up to 4,250kg in total)

a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or ‘kerb’ weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)

For anything heavier you need to take a category B+E driving test.

Incidentally, do remember that it's the actual (loaded or otherwise) trailer weight and not the theoretical maximum permitted weight as per the trailer plate that matters; even some of the roadside inspection blokes from VOSA have been known NOT to know this

[mnrvortxf20c]

i have been told that its gross of trailer + gross of car which for me is 1840kg trailr + 2050 of tow car
the unladen trailer weight is 500kgs and my race car is 440kgs
the maximum permitted load is 1340kgs

[splitpin]

mnrvortxf20c said:

i have been told that its gross of trailer + gross of car which for me is 1840kg trailr + 2050 of tow car
the unladen trailer weight is 500kgs and my race car is 440kgs
the maximum permitted load is 1340kgs

You've been told wrong Dan.

2050* + 500 + 440 = 2990 which is well under 3500, so your licence allows you to legally tow that combo.

Time you bought that Rad (and gave that VOSA Mate the elbow )

PS * for the purposes of the above, I've assumed the 2050 is your tow car's GVW and that you've got it loaded right upto that.

Edited by splitpin on Saturday 22 June 15:23

[mnrvortxf20c]

sorry to be argumentative as im suree you know far more than me about these things. but every google search i do (even the one on p/h from the trailer specialist) says its maximum that the trailer can possibly carry otherwise known as gvw of trailer?
im so confused by this! and thanks for the help!

[ric355]

You are correct and Trev is mistaken. MAM is the Maximum Allowable Mass, and this is just another term for the plated gross weight of the trailer. So if your trailer is plated for 2 tons and your car has a gross weight of 2 tons, then you're 500kg's over the limit for post 1997 licenses without B+E. This is regardless of the actual load being carried on the trailer.

[splitpin]

ric355 said:

Trev is mistaken.

As it looks that I might have omitted to mention a new plate this is always a possibility Ric

Perhaps post up on here Dan? >

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Best thread (and most knowledgeable chap called Rog) I have ever seen on here and it does have relatively recent posts.

HTH

[mnrvortxf20c]

thanks for the continued help guys.
basically i wanted to know if a clubsport will fit on a bj minno with a tyre rack?

[mabbott]

A Clubsport \ Prosport \ PR6 sits just nicely on a Minno both in terms of width and length. Yes it's tight but what more do you need? Tyres on a rack and tools in the boot. I don't need mine anymore so drop me a line if you want it.

[mnrvortxf20c]

email sent mark. thanks

[jagracer]

splitpin said:

For anything heavier you need to take a category B+E driving test.

Incidentally, do remember that it's the actual (loaded or otherwise) trailer weight and not the theoretical maximum permitted weight as per the trailer plate that matters; even some of the roadside inspection blokes from VOSA have been known NOT to know this

For licencing purposes It's the plated weights not the actual weights that are used, VOSA and police know this and you are mistaken.

[radical78]

keep the trailer you have its the right size for a club sport ring brian james and they will re plate it at 1500ks they used to charge 10 pound

[andylaurence]

radical78 said:

keep the trailer you have its the right size for a club sport ring brian james and they will re plate it at 1500ks they used to charge 10 pound

I'd go with this. I've the same trailer and Brian James plated it correctly so that I can tow it with my licence. I've left ~400kg headroom in case I want to put a particularly large tyre rack on it!