SR3 or Mallock

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ajh349

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77 posts

186 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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Hi, I have been looking for another car for the 2013 season and have been offered a Mallock Mk32 with a rear mounted Vauxhall Red top fitted.

As my Radical/Sportscar experience isnt great I'm trying to find out how good the Mallock is when compared to SR3 1500 which is another option for me.

Can anyone help me in understanding how the Mallock is when comparing downforce, Drag and ultimatly lap speed when compared to other Sports Racing cars.

Alan

bravonovember

774 posts

182 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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Sorry can't help with the Mallock side. What is your bad experience of radical have you had?

SportsLibre

590 posts

218 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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I think it means great as in large, not great as in good.

Unfortunately you are going to find hard to find anyone with experience of the Mallock due to small numbers made, They are a historic name who have traditionally built very good Clubmans type racing cars but the modern cars compared to others ????

The biggest and most obvious point would be the Red Top comparison to the m/c engine and what gearbox does the Mallock use?

LCM

444 posts

203 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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There aren't many rear-engined Mallocks around so the info base is a bit limited and there are so many variables that objective comparison is difficult.

I've had and developed a few Radicals now and have been aero consultant (or half-Newey as I'm know on a good day) on the OSS Mallock-Beagle. If we're lucky, Darcy will be along soon to give you his view of racing a Radical against the Mallock-Beagle. But I would characterise them as both being fairly unsophisticated aerodynamically when they leave the factory, the Radical being more robust and having in depth factory back up, but the Mallock offering a more potential for the home fabricator/aerodynamicist.

In addition, class break points will have an influence. A 1500 'Busa is well down on torque compared with a well tuned 2.0 Red Top so if you can carry your speed (eg Thruxton, Combe) the light weight and high BMEP of the Busa will work well but on a tighter twisty circuit with lots of pulling out of slow corners (Cadwell comes to mind) then a good Red Top is trumps. I've competed on the hills in a 1600 Prosport against a 2.0 Rear engined Mallock and was easily faster into and through all the bends than the Mallock but got left for dead on the straights and steep bits and overall was 1+ secs slower per minute. If you've got a 1600 class break, then a 1500 'Busa should be at least competitive with a 1600 Vauxhall or Ford.

What would I do?

I don't know but supect that it might involve an M car rather than an R car and, if it would fit, a 2.0 bike-based V8 in the back bounce

DarcySmith

166 posts

243 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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Hi Alan,

Josh will be along in a minute to bore us with the pros and cons of both! smile

Where will you be racing next year?

If you fancy some different circuits take look at the BRSCC OSS Championship.

It's a 3 race week- end format,with some nice cars already entered.4 Chirons,3 Junos,Jades,Radicals,to name a few

In fact 22 cars are already paid up to race the first 2 rounds

Darcy

Edited by DarcySmith on Thursday 20th December 22:13

DarcySmith

166 posts

243 months

Thursday 20th December 2012
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Hi Lindsay,

Jonty certainly goes very well in the Beagle

It's been discussed before,but I think that a very well sorted car engined 2L SP,will be quicker than any 4 cyl n/a Radical

Darcy

ajh349

Original Poster:

77 posts

186 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Hi Darcy, I have had a look at the OSS Calendar and would certainly be entering the Championship if the car I get is suitable; however I'm also looking at couple of winged single seaters that would steer me away for a season.

One concern I have which I was hoping to answer, is finding a car that has parity to the other cars on the grid and that I will not be driving in a procession of Sports Prototypes having their own race. I know this is a concern to all drivers as we all love to race but racing is difficult when a grid has a large diversity of machines with only a couple of cars in each class, hence the appeal to single seaters.

I suppose the true title to my question should not have been so specific as the concerning matter is parity, but the 2 SP cars in question which I must make a decision are Mallock & Radical.

ajh349

Original Poster:

77 posts

186 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Have found another car (nemesis) that has become available which I know more people will be familiar with.

DarcySmith

166 posts

243 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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Interesting

Whose is it?


Darcy

ajh349

Original Poster:

77 posts

186 months

Friday 21st December 2012
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I havent meet him, Simon Tate has his car for sale.

Josh Smith

437 posts

242 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Hi Alan, the mallocks were good but the p20/p21 were better developed during the supersports era and were designed by rml not mallock.

The nemesis would be a good choice but I don't know what spec the one you have found is. It will be a quick car regardless. A well driven supersport car should be quicker than a 1500 Sr3 but due to age and use, you'd expect the supersports cars to be more fragile (if it hasn't had a good refresh) and parts aren't so readily available.

That's the good thing about the radical stuff, lots of people with the ability to give help and advice and lots of spares quickly available both new and used.

There is a cheap SR3 with RS upgrades on racecarsdirect currently at 18k from Alex Sims.

There are other potential supersports style cars available I think, pm me if you want to know anymore.


I'm a bit sad when it comes to national supersport cars....or obsessed....


Josh

DarcySmith

166 posts

243 months

Saturday 22nd December 2012
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Not sure that particular car is actually running at the moment


Darcy

bravonovember

774 posts

182 months

Sunday 23rd December 2012
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How about a CN proto? A mini lmp2 car. new cars now have carbon tubs, run a honda vtec 2.0 engine, proper gearbox some have paddle shift. very quick. Not sure on lap times but I would say on aero tracks they must be on sr8 pace or qucker. can race them in OSS sell a seat and go endurance racing (3-6hr) in Vdev in europe or Speed Seres. Some of the older cars a quite cheap now and have their own class.

Juno

4,485 posts

255 months

Wednesday 2nd January 2013
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bravonovember said:
How about a CN proto? A mini lmp2 car. new cars now have carbon tubs, run a honda vtec 2.0 engine, proper gearbox some have paddle shift. very quick. Not sure on lap times but I would say on aero tracks they must be on sr8 pace or qucker. can race them in OSS sell a seat and go endurance racing (3-6hr) in Vdev in europe or Speed Seres. Some of the older cars a quite cheap now and have their own class.
Like This ?

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/44481/juno_s...

DarcySmith

166 posts

243 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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Juno said:
Hi Barry

Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?

Regards

Darcy

Juno

4,485 posts

255 months

Thursday 3rd January 2013
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DarcySmith said:
Hi Barry

Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?

Regards

Darcy
Sorry Darcy but im not an authority on this.

If I remember car to same spec as mine was doing 1.07secs at Snetternton in 2008 1.95mile layout.Current 2012 cars have moved on and i think are approx 1.5secs quicker short circuit and up to 3 secs quicker at Spa

nigel greensall

75 posts

261 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Hi Darcy,

This Ligier ( http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/46218/ligier... ) running on the Avon tyres used for VdeV Endurance races has done a 2.04 at Silverstone GP circuit if that helps.

cheers

Nigel

Count Johnny

715 posts

203 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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DarcySmith said:
Hi Barry

Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?

Regards

Darcy
In its previous owner's hands, Barry's Juno (driven by Zubin Randeria and someone else) did a 1:31.347 on the Brands GP circuit. The fastest CN car, on the same day (a Ligier JS49, driven by Joey Foster and Jody Firth) did a 1:25.684.


Official Radical

45 posts

182 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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Fastest SR3 RS time at Brands Hatch GP in 2012: 1:24.868. Lap times here:

DarcySmith

166 posts

243 months

Friday 4th January 2013
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nigel greensall said:
Hi Darcy,

This Ligier ( http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/46218/ligier... ) running on the Avon tyres used for VdeV Endurance races has done a 2.04 at Silverstone GP circuit if that helps.

cheers

Nigel
How does that compare to an SR3 RS driven by the recent pro drivers?


Darcy