SR3 or Mallock
Discussion
Hi, I have been looking for another car for the 2013 season and have been offered a Mallock Mk32 with a rear mounted Vauxhall Red top fitted.
As my Radical/Sportscar experience isnt great I'm trying to find out how good the Mallock is when compared to SR3 1500 which is another option for me.
Can anyone help me in understanding how the Mallock is when comparing downforce, Drag and ultimatly lap speed when compared to other Sports Racing cars.
Alan
As my Radical/Sportscar experience isnt great I'm trying to find out how good the Mallock is when compared to SR3 1500 which is another option for me.
Can anyone help me in understanding how the Mallock is when comparing downforce, Drag and ultimatly lap speed when compared to other Sports Racing cars.
Alan
I think it means great as in large, not great as in good.
Unfortunately you are going to find hard to find anyone with experience of the Mallock due to small numbers made, They are a historic name who have traditionally built very good Clubmans type racing cars but the modern cars compared to others ????
The biggest and most obvious point would be the Red Top comparison to the m/c engine and what gearbox does the Mallock use?
Unfortunately you are going to find hard to find anyone with experience of the Mallock due to small numbers made, They are a historic name who have traditionally built very good Clubmans type racing cars but the modern cars compared to others ????
The biggest and most obvious point would be the Red Top comparison to the m/c engine and what gearbox does the Mallock use?
There aren't many rear-engined Mallocks around so the info base is a bit limited and there are so many variables that objective comparison is difficult.
I've had and developed a few Radicals now and have been aero consultant (or half-Newey as I'm know on a good day) on the OSS Mallock-Beagle. If we're lucky, Darcy will be along soon to give you his view of racing a Radical against the Mallock-Beagle. But I would characterise them as both being fairly unsophisticated aerodynamically when they leave the factory, the Radical being more robust and having in depth factory back up, but the Mallock offering a more potential for the home fabricator/aerodynamicist.
In addition, class break points will have an influence. A 1500 'Busa is well down on torque compared with a well tuned 2.0 Red Top so if you can carry your speed (eg Thruxton, Combe) the light weight and high BMEP of the Busa will work well but on a tighter twisty circuit with lots of pulling out of slow corners (Cadwell comes to mind) then a good Red Top is trumps. I've competed on the hills in a 1600 Prosport against a 2.0 Rear engined Mallock and was easily faster into and through all the bends than the Mallock but got left for dead on the straights and steep bits and overall was 1+ secs slower per minute. If you've got a 1600 class break, then a 1500 'Busa should be at least competitive with a 1600 Vauxhall or Ford.
What would I do?
I don't know but supect that it might involve an M car rather than an R car and, if it would fit, a 2.0 bike-based V8 in the back
I've had and developed a few Radicals now and have been aero consultant (or half-Newey as I'm know on a good day) on the OSS Mallock-Beagle. If we're lucky, Darcy will be along soon to give you his view of racing a Radical against the Mallock-Beagle. But I would characterise them as both being fairly unsophisticated aerodynamically when they leave the factory, the Radical being more robust and having in depth factory back up, but the Mallock offering a more potential for the home fabricator/aerodynamicist.
In addition, class break points will have an influence. A 1500 'Busa is well down on torque compared with a well tuned 2.0 Red Top so if you can carry your speed (eg Thruxton, Combe) the light weight and high BMEP of the Busa will work well but on a tighter twisty circuit with lots of pulling out of slow corners (Cadwell comes to mind) then a good Red Top is trumps. I've competed on the hills in a 1600 Prosport against a 2.0 Rear engined Mallock and was easily faster into and through all the bends than the Mallock but got left for dead on the straights and steep bits and overall was 1+ secs slower per minute. If you've got a 1600 class break, then a 1500 'Busa should be at least competitive with a 1600 Vauxhall or Ford.
What would I do?
I don't know but supect that it might involve an M car rather than an R car and, if it would fit, a 2.0 bike-based V8 in the back
Hi Alan,
Josh will be along in a minute to bore us with the pros and cons of both!
Where will you be racing next year?
If you fancy some different circuits take look at the BRSCC OSS Championship.
It's a 3 race week- end format,with some nice cars already entered.4 Chirons,3 Junos,Jades,Radicals,to name a few
In fact 22 cars are already paid up to race the first 2 rounds
Darcy
Josh will be along in a minute to bore us with the pros and cons of both!
Where will you be racing next year?
If you fancy some different circuits take look at the BRSCC OSS Championship.
It's a 3 race week- end format,with some nice cars already entered.4 Chirons,3 Junos,Jades,Radicals,to name a few
In fact 22 cars are already paid up to race the first 2 rounds
Darcy
Edited by DarcySmith on Thursday 20th December 22:13
Hi Darcy, I have had a look at the OSS Calendar and would certainly be entering the Championship if the car I get is suitable; however I'm also looking at couple of winged single seaters that would steer me away for a season.
One concern I have which I was hoping to answer, is finding a car that has parity to the other cars on the grid and that I will not be driving in a procession of Sports Prototypes having their own race. I know this is a concern to all drivers as we all love to race but racing is difficult when a grid has a large diversity of machines with only a couple of cars in each class, hence the appeal to single seaters.
I suppose the true title to my question should not have been so specific as the concerning matter is parity, but the 2 SP cars in question which I must make a decision are Mallock & Radical.
One concern I have which I was hoping to answer, is finding a car that has parity to the other cars on the grid and that I will not be driving in a procession of Sports Prototypes having their own race. I know this is a concern to all drivers as we all love to race but racing is difficult when a grid has a large diversity of machines with only a couple of cars in each class, hence the appeal to single seaters.
I suppose the true title to my question should not have been so specific as the concerning matter is parity, but the 2 SP cars in question which I must make a decision are Mallock & Radical.
Hi Alan, the mallocks were good but the p20/p21 were better developed during the supersports era and were designed by rml not mallock.
The nemesis would be a good choice but I don't know what spec the one you have found is. It will be a quick car regardless. A well driven supersport car should be quicker than a 1500 Sr3 but due to age and use, you'd expect the supersports cars to be more fragile (if it hasn't had a good refresh) and parts aren't so readily available.
That's the good thing about the radical stuff, lots of people with the ability to give help and advice and lots of spares quickly available both new and used.
There is a cheap SR3 with RS upgrades on racecarsdirect currently at 18k from Alex Sims.
There are other potential supersports style cars available I think, pm me if you want to know anymore.
I'm a bit sad when it comes to national supersport cars....or obsessed....
Josh
The nemesis would be a good choice but I don't know what spec the one you have found is. It will be a quick car regardless. A well driven supersport car should be quicker than a 1500 Sr3 but due to age and use, you'd expect the supersports cars to be more fragile (if it hasn't had a good refresh) and parts aren't so readily available.
That's the good thing about the radical stuff, lots of people with the ability to give help and advice and lots of spares quickly available both new and used.
There is a cheap SR3 with RS upgrades on racecarsdirect currently at 18k from Alex Sims.
There are other potential supersports style cars available I think, pm me if you want to know anymore.
I'm a bit sad when it comes to national supersport cars....or obsessed....
Josh
How about a CN proto? A mini lmp2 car. new cars now have carbon tubs, run a honda vtec 2.0 engine, proper gearbox some have paddle shift. very quick. Not sure on lap times but I would say on aero tracks they must be on sr8 pace or qucker. can race them in OSS sell a seat and go endurance racing (3-6hr) in Vdev in europe or Speed Seres. Some of the older cars a quite cheap now and have their own class.
bravonovember said:
How about a CN proto? A mini lmp2 car. new cars now have carbon tubs, run a honda vtec 2.0 engine, proper gearbox some have paddle shift. very quick. Not sure on lap times but I would say on aero tracks they must be on sr8 pace or qucker. can race them in OSS sell a seat and go endurance racing (3-6hr) in Vdev in europe or Speed Seres. Some of the older cars a quite cheap now and have their own class.
Like This ?http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/44481/juno_s...
Juno said:
Hi BarryJust out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?
Regards
Darcy
DarcySmith said:
Hi Barry
Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?
Regards
Darcy
Sorry Darcy but im not an authority on this.Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?
Regards
Darcy
If I remember car to same spec as mine was doing 1.07secs at Snetternton in 2008 1.95mile layout.Current 2012 cars have moved on and i think are approx 1.5secs quicker short circuit and up to 3 secs quicker at Spa
Hi Darcy,
This Ligier ( http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/46218/ligier... ) running on the Avon tyres used for VdeV Endurance races has done a 2.04 at Silverstone GP circuit if that helps.
cheers
Nigel
This Ligier ( http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/46218/ligier... ) running on the Avon tyres used for VdeV Endurance races has done a 2.04 at Silverstone GP circuit if that helps.
cheers
Nigel
DarcySmith said:
Hi Barry
Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?
Regards
Darcy
In its previous owner's hands, Barry's Juno (driven by Zubin Randeria and someone else) did a 1:31.347 on the Brands GP circuit. The fastest CN car, on the same day (a Ligier JS49, driven by Joey Foster and Jody Firth) did a 1:25.684.Just out of interest,could you give me an idea of the sort of times this car has done at British circuits?
Regards
Darcy
Fastest SR3 RS time at Brands Hatch GP in 2012: 1:24.868. Lap times here:
nigel greensall said:
Hi Darcy,
This Ligier ( http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/46218/ligier... ) running on the Avon tyres used for VdeV Endurance races has done a 2.04 at Silverstone GP circuit if that helps.
cheers
Nigel
How does that compare to an SR3 RS driven by the recent pro drivers?This Ligier ( http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listing/46218/ligier... ) running on the Avon tyres used for VdeV Endurance races has done a 2.04 at Silverstone GP circuit if that helps.
cheers
Nigel
Darcy
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