Front Splitter not equal hight left vs. right side SR3

Front Splitter not equal hight left vs. right side SR3

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BioBa

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317 posts

159 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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After a crash I had my front splitter repaired. After instalation it turns out that it is 15 mm higher on the right vs the left. Should I worry about the difference and drill out the rivets and try to re-align the whole thing? If I would re-align it, it would mean that the splitter would not be fully pushed against the crash box plus the front tow hook could also not be fully tightened as the splitter would be at an angle.
Any advise? Is 15 mm within an acceptable variation?

splitpin

2,740 posts

204 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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Got a photo to help explain/illustrate?

Josh Smith

437 posts

242 months

Sunday 25th March 2012
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As Trev said, stick a picture up. If you measure the four corners of the splitter and list that as well it might help. It would be worth getting it right.

We had to change the fitment of our front splitter/diffuser recently in order to get it to fit properly with the bonnet. Ours isn't a standard radical part though so had to be fitted a little differently.

BioBa

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317 posts

159 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Will get the photo to explain tomorrow.

LCM

444 posts

203 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Driver onboard or not?

If it's right hand drive and it's been corner weighted (and if it hasn't, why not?) then, without the driver in place, I would expect the rightside corners to be higher than their opposite numbers on the left and level with the driver in his/her seat.

BioBa

Original Poster:

317 posts

159 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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As the difference between right and left is only 10 mm it will not show on a photo.
By the way it is a right hand drive car but without the driver the right side is 10 mm lower than the left side. This means with a driver in the seat the difference might even be higher.
I did go to a race suspension shop and they felt quite strongly that I should drill out the rivets and align it to be the same distance off the ground on both sides.
Have any of you guys measured your splitter height off the ground left vs right side??

LCM

444 posts

203 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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BioBa said:
By the way it is a right hand drive car but without the driver the right side is 10 mm lower than the left side. This means with a driver in the seat the difference might even be higher.
I did go to a race suspension shop and they felt quite strongly that I should drill out the rivets and align it to be the same distance off the ground on both sides.
Bugger the splitter mate!

Without the driver, the right side should be higher than the left (assuming of course that you have positive mass and are not composed of anti-matter). When the driver is onboard and the car has, say, half a tank of fuel the front heights should be approx equal so that the static load on each front tyre is within 1-2 kg of the other. http://www.goaheadtakethewheel.com/build-repairs-m...

If you don't get the corner wieghts right no race car is going to perform well or pleasurably when you start going fast.

I'm also wondering what sort of half-arsed suspension shop suggests addressing the symptom rather than the cause. I would never go back to anywhere like that.

You need to find a competent race shop and get the suspension set up and corner weighted according to the BigR Owners Manual and then get the car on the track and make small adjustments from there to adapt the handling to your taste.

gaxor

331 posts

259 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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The alignment of the splitter can be effected by the length of the struts, not necessarily a suspension issue

BertBert

19,534 posts

217 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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also things can be lighter than air without being anti-matter. As wood and ducks are lighter than water. As we know the consequences of anti-matter coming into contact with matter, I prefer the explanation that the driver is in fact a duck.

BB
PS perhaps not my most technically insightful post. However, there must be a Radical approved way of fitting and adjusting the front splitter. Worth doing that (along with the suspension setup of course)?

double d racing

306 posts

204 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Hopefully not too late with this simple info. ( and as stated before by LCM redrilling rivets etc. is rubbish.)
I clattered the kerb at Brands Hatch and there were only scuffs on the splitter. We subsequently noticed the front lip was pointing skywards ( exaggeration but you'll get the idea )
Removed the front nose and eventually spotted that one of the "diagonal" splitter supports was ever so slightly bent. It was a nice gentle arc and so was not shouting at you. I applied my foot to said item and gently bent it back.
Splitter OK, ground claereance spot on.....who said brains are better than brawn ?
D D

LCM

444 posts

203 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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BertBert said:
also things can be lighter than air without being anti-matter. As wood and ducks are lighter than water. As we know the consequences of anti-matter coming into contact with matter,
Especially as, IIRC, the longest that a single atom of anti-hydrogen has existed under the containment of immense magnetic fields was 15 secs, it don't half put the pressure on one to do a quick lap............................ bounce

BertBert said:
I prefer the explanation that the driver is in fact a duck.
or a baloon? eek

LCM

444 posts

203 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Sorry!

That last quip was unconscionably rude and uncalled for. frown

But it was too good to miss! blah

BioBa

Original Poster:

317 posts

159 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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LCM said:
I'm also wondering what sort of half-arsed suspension shop suggests addressing the symptom rather than the cause. I would never go back to anywhere like that.

You need to find a competent race shop and get the suspension set up and corner weighted according to the BigR Owners Manual and then get the car on the track and make small adjustments from there to adapt the handling to your taste.
To clarify: The race shop corner weighted the car and aligned all suspension settings properly in relation to the frame and level ground. What I am asking about is the mounting of the splitter. Is 10 mm height difference between left and right side a big enough difference to warrant dismanteling and realighning?

Simon T

2,136 posts

279 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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No

Simon

double d racing

306 posts

204 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Don't you just hate it when Stilling gives long dreary,winding, elongated answers....
As for corner weighting ( says he asking the stupid question ) did they add weights etc in the drivers seat to compensate for said knobber !
Regards
D D

BioBa

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317 posts

159 months

Thursday 29th March 2012
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double d racing said:
As for corner weighting ( says he asking the stupid question ) did they add weights etc in the drivers seat to compensate for said knobber !
D D
Yes they did - they used 80 kg of break disks stacked up!

Count Johnny

715 posts

203 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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BioBa said:
To clarify: The race shop corner weighted the car and aligned all suspension settings properly in relation to the frame and level ground. What I am asking about is the mounting of the splitter. Is 10 mm height difference between left and right side a big enough difference to warrant dismanteling and realighning?
I'm not a Radical owner (so don't know how well the SR3's splitter/underfloor/rear diffuser work together (and must also bow to Simon's considerable experience)) but if they're doing even a half decent job of 'talking to each other', 10 mil is a shed load of difference and I'd be taking the trouble to get it right.

We've spent a great deal of time - and an awful lot of money - getting things exactly right, in this area, on my Speads, and even a few millimetres makes a massive difference.

Just my $0.02.

BioBa

Original Poster:

317 posts

159 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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I also respect Simons valuable input very much but virtually everybody I have spoken to including the race suspension shop thinks I should correct the 10 mm difference. Considering that I should be able to do it under an hour I will drill out the rivets and realign it. Thanks for all your input.

BertBert

19,534 posts

217 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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what's the splitter supposed to be aligned with out of interest? and is it not just adjustable with the stays?
Bert

BioBa

Original Poster:

317 posts

159 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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I just realized I have been saying splitter instead of diffuser! I mean the whole diffuser is out of alignment. Now i understand why Simon did not think adjusting a 10 mm difference was neccessary. I feel like a idiot mixing the two up.