Emissions band for an MGF/TF VVC 1.8

Emissions band for an MGF/TF VVC 1.8

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Timmy33

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12,915 posts

204 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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Hi chaps/chapesses.

I was just wondering, would any of you lot know if the MGF/TF will be affected by Dr Evils ( AKA Alistair Darling )higher rate of road tax that is being phased in for 2009, 2010?

Obviously I'm referring to the post 2001 cars

Cheers.

Tim

S6 ROR

1,585 posts

271 months

Friday 2nd May 2008
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Yes, I have a 1.8 and the CO2 figure is 182 G/KM. Paid £165 this year, and will be going up to £270 after the changes.
My ZT (260) was £190 this year and will be £455 after the change. An increase of £370 overall.
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tonyvid

9,875 posts

249 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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It's a bit complicated Timmy, depends on the age of TFs

This is from Rob Bell's website

Tax Band Emissions - CO2 (g/km) Models effected
E 166-185 MGF 1.6i, MGF 1.8i
MGTF 1.6i, MGTF135, MGTF 160

F 185-225 MGF1.8 Stepspeed, MGF 1.8VVC, MGF Trophy 160
MGTF 1.8 Stepspeed, MGTF135


"As indicated in the summary table above, not all MG TF135s are the same. At launch in 2002, the TF135 was homologated with a CO2 emissions rating of 189 g/km, which unfortunately for owners means band F. However, the MG Rover engineers continued to work on the car, and by the end of 2003, the TF135 was re-homologated with a CO2 rating of 184 g/km, bringing the car down into the now significantly cheaper band E.

If you own a TF135 it therefore becomes extremely important to check that the details on your registration document - the V5C - tally correctly with the CO2 emissions and tax band. Discussing this with one of MG Rover's former homologation engineers, Nic Fasci, it transpires that the vital information lies in your TF's version number. Early cars, with version numbers 01C, 01N, 02C or 02N are the ones with the higher emissions - 189 g/km - and thus fall into the higher group F tax bracket.

All later cars, versions 03x, 04x, 05x and 06x (where x is the letter 'C' or 'N'), were all homologated at 184 g/km, and thus fall into the lower group E tax bracket. Check your V5 now and ensure that you are not being over charged"

TF160 are lower but not sure exactly what though - 179 seems to be in my head.


Edited by tonyvid on Thursday 15th May 08:52

Timmy33

Original Poster:

12,915 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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tonyvid said:
It's a bit complicated Timmy, depends on the age of TFs

This is from Rob Bell's website

Tax Band Emissions - CO2 (g/km) Models effected
E 166-185 MGF 1.6i, MGF 1.8i
MGTF 1.6i, MGTF135, MGTF 160

F 185-225 MGF1.8 Stepspeed, MGF 1.8VVC, MGF Trophy 160
MGTF 1.8 Stepspeed, MGTF135


"As indicated in the summary table above, not all MG TF135s are the same. At launch in 2002, the TF135 was homologated with a CO2 emissions rating of 189 g/km, which unfortunately for owners means band F. However, the MG Rover engineers continued to work on the car, and by the end of 2003, the TF135 was re-homologated with a CO2 rating of 184 g/km, bringing the car down into the now significantly cheaper band E.

If you own a TF135 it therefore becomes extremely important to check that the details on your registration document - the V5C - tally correctly with the CO2 emissions and tax band. Discussing this with one of MG Rover's former homologation engineers, Nic Fasci, it transpires that the vital information lies in your TF's version number. Early cars, with version numbers 01C, 01N, 02C or 02N are the ones with the higher emissions - 189 g/km - and thus fall into the higher group F tax bracket.

All later cars, versions 03x, 04x, 05x and 06x (where x is the letter 'C' or 'N'), were all homologated at 184 g/km, and thus fall into the lower group E tax bracket. Check your V5 now and ensure that you are not being over charged"

TF160 are lower but not sure exactly what though - 179 seems to be in my head.


Edited by tonyvid on Thursday 15th May 08:52
Thanks mate smile

Well thing is the only MGF version I'm looking is the 1.8 VVC, it's a car with far more performance than people give it credit for. Esp if it sees a tuning shop.

I think that 185g co2. BUT.....now I'm looking at 2000 cars only, as that seems to be the sweet spot...i.e. they uprated the head gaskets >99 to fix that issue, but it's <01 when the evil badger has raised the road tax level.

So that rules out a TF....unless it's an MGF that someone has updated the bumper and lights on to make it look like a TF....there's a few of those about....

Narrows it down a bit!

bigbadbikercats

635 posts

214 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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Timmy33 said:
Well thing is the only MGF version I'm looking is the 1.8 VVC, it's a car with far more performance than people give it credit for.
Certainly is. Surprised the heck out of me the first time I let it howl to the red line through the first few gears!

Timmy33 said:
So that rules out a TF....unless it's an MGF that someone has updated the bumper and lights on to make it look like a TF....there's a few of those about....
There's one in the car park next to mine. I was a little confused as to why a TF would have a MK1 'F hood on it, got even more confused when I looked at the interior, and (as it's got a personalised plate on) didn't finally twig what was going on until I spoke to the owner. Seemed like an awful lot of work to me, especially as I think the original 'F is a prettier car anyway...

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Timmy33

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Thursday 15th May 2008
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bigbadbikercats said:
Timmy33 said:
Well thing is the only MGF version I'm looking is the 1.8 VVC, it's a car with far more performance than people give it credit for.
Certainly is. Surprised the heck out of me the first time I let it howl to the red line through the first few gears!

Timmy33 said:
So that rules out a TF....unless it's an MGF that someone has updated the bumper and lights on to make it look like a TF....there's a few of those about....
There's one in the car park next to mine. I was a little confused as to why a TF would have a MK1 'F hood on it, got even more confused when I looked at the interior, and (as it's got a personalised plate on) didn't finally twig what was going on until I spoke to the owner. Seemed like an awful lot of work to me, especially as I think the original 'F is a prettier car anyway...

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JG
There's a few blogs of people who've done it. The easy bit is the bonnet and bumper, but the headlight mountings are totally different so that need some bodging. I think it costs around £500 in parts, a few weekends worth of sweat and swearing in the garage to do.

To be honest I agree with you, I prefer the old MGF shape in many ways.

I've always wondered what a supercharger would do for an MGF..... probably shorten my life expectancy hehe

tonyvid

9,875 posts

249 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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Timmy33 said:
I've always wondered what a supercharger would do for an MGF..... probably shorten my life expectancy hehe
You should look out for one of these thenwink

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgoc...

bigbadbikercats

635 posts

214 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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Timmy33 said:
I've always wondered what a supercharger would do for an MGF...
0-60MPH in 5.5 seconds according to this...

...now that really would surprise a few people smile

Just remembered, there's at least one KV6 powered F/TF running around - OK so it wouldn't have quite the wallop that the supercharged VVC K seems to pack but there's more than a hint of the pocket GT about the 'F and I think the super-smooth engine and 6 cylinder noise would suit it down to the gropund...

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JG

Edited by bigbadbikercats on Thursday 15th May 15:37

Timmy33

Original Poster:

12,915 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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tonyvid said:
Timmy33 said:
I've always wondered what a supercharger would do for an MGF..... probably shorten my life expectancy hehe
You should look out for one of these thenwink

http://www.mgcars.org.uk/cgi-bin/gen5?runprog=mgoc...
Interesting!

Soooo..

Rotrex supercharger and remap £3750
Brakes upgraded £600
Performance exhaust £340
Induction Kit £85

You'd want the uprated head gasket from eliseparts(?) wouldn't you. And ideally a 2000 MGF as the donor.

They're saying this gets you 5.5 0-60 and 150mph topend.

Versus the stock 1.8VVC delivering 7.0s and 130mph....

But.....you do get alot more torque too with the supercharger, and those Rotrex ones seem to pop up everywhere.

I assume the same can be done for an Elise with the K-series engine, OMG.....what would that be like.

tonyvid

9,875 posts

249 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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No work at the Timmy desk this afternoon, just lots of doodles, figures and crossing outs....

smile

Timmy33

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12,915 posts

204 months

Thursday 15th May 2008
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tonyvid said:
No work at the Timmy desk this afternoon, just lots of doodles, figures and crossing outs....

smile
The Timmy desk has been trying to understand electicity trading and his brain has melted. So I've spent most of the day thinking about what small cars you could fit a £4k supercharger too, and how that balances versus buying a larger engined car. What with oil stuck over $120 a barrel ( and refining margins are still positive implying it doesn't have to fall back ouch )