RE: Rover revives MG GT concept

RE: Rover revives MG GT concept

Tuesday 16th November 2004

Rover revives MG GT concept

Adds hard top and more power to MG TF


Rover is to expand its range of MG sports cars by adding a fixed head version.  The MG GT concept, which Rover calls "a modern day expression of the beloved MGB GT from the trendy 1960s", also gets a more powerful engine. The company says that, just as the MG GT got a 3-litre straight six (MGC) and a 3.5-litre V8 (MGB GT V8), so the engineers have developed this latest concept around the 2.5-litre KV6 engine. Raising power to 200bhp, performance is predicted to give the GT sub-six second zero to 60mph acceleration and a top speed of 145mph. The increase in speed is aided by the reduced drag GT style, cutting the aerodynamic drag coefficient from 0.35 to 0.31.

Rover engineers and planners are considering ideas for the next generation of the car, and this is one of the ideas they says they have been researching. According to  Rover, many of the ‘warmer climate’ markets prefer sports cars to have an integrated, coupe style and air conditioning to cope with high summer temperatures. Also, says Rover, recent models like the Audi TT have shown that hardtops can be highly popular for customers who prefer the style of a fixed-head coupe.

Other features on the MG GT concept car include 17-inch Gunsmoke five-spoke OZ alloy wheels, similar in design to the MG XPower SV. An extended front aero splitter is balanced by a longer tail-spoiler integrated into the bootlid design, generating reduced lift at speed.

New door mirrors feature integral side direction indicator lamps and the switch for the electronic door opening feature, that in the process have eliminated the external door handles for a clean exterior design profile.  The interior is trimmed with Burgundy red leather seats, with the fascia and door casings also following the same colourway.

Peter Stevens, MG’s design director says,  “We would love to expand the MG TF range with a high-performance MG GT which has inspiring handling, practicality and great looks. The KV6 engine combines a superb soundtrack with a surge of power and a wider performance envelope to drive within - perfect for a sports car.”

Rover called the MG TF "the UK’s best selling sports car", and plans to tweak the design further next year.

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pwig

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11,956 posts

277 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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That does actually look quite nice

Roof like a bit 'TT' ish though innit?

thepeoplespal

1,674 posts

284 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Doesn't look too bad, would think they'd need a bit more ommph that the k-series v6 though. 260bhp V8 anyone?

Twin Turbo

5,544 posts

273 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Looks nice.

Not a "new" BGT though....that was a front engined coupe, this (I'm assuming) is little more than a MGTF with a fixed roof.

Don't just talk about it though, build the darn thing!

ajb

854 posts

250 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Looks quite good for a Rover. Lets just hope they can make it handle better than the MGF or MGTF.

squirrelz

1,186 posts

278 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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There's a new Rover Coupe too, pictures are at www.mg-rover.org

- forgot to say, this one's a concept too.

>> Edited by squirrelz on Tuesday 16th November 08:52

Bill Carr

2,234 posts

241 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Good idea. Much better, and more likely to succeed in upping sales, than sticking an old V8 in a Rover 75, or building a hugely expensive sports car that's not as good as a 911.

Don

28,377 posts

291 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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I think that's a good looking car myself.

But will they give it the power to match the looks. If they gave it 280bhp for example it would become a Boxster Coupe S competitor. If only 240bhp then the standard Coupe, maybe.

Given the price point MGTFs are at this could be an interesting car...

dans

1,137 posts

291 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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it looks like a mid 90's mazda - not overly a bad thing, but why not make something new...

dinkel

27,177 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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thepeoplespal said:
Doesn't look too bad, would think they'd need a bit more ommph that the k-series v6 though. 260bhp V8 anyone?


No, keep it in TT-league and forget about the S2000 / Boxter to compete with: it just won't work.

They better stick to 250 bhp max from that 2.5 . . . IMO.

dans

1,137 posts

291 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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squirrelz said:
There's a new Rover Coupe too, pictures are at <a href="http://www.mg-rover.org">www.mg-rover.org</a>

- forgot to say, this one's a concept too.

>> Edited by squirrelz on Tuesday 16th November 08:52


didn't BMW do one of those which they were going to badge "riley" it was rather elgant I think, that new rover one looks plain silly with the new nose slapped onto it

The Ringmeister

279 posts

245 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Well done rover - that is a very good looking car, to ensure it goes as well as it looks and is built properly they should stop wasting time on developing the 75 V8 and the other coupe thing (forget what its called) and concentrate on sectors they have experience of - whilst the MGF is a not the best car, with build quality and reliability to rival TVR, at least the thing sold in numbers!

Come on rover/MG get it sorted!!

cathalm

606 posts

251 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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looks good, hopefully an all new interior as well. I think that power level is fine. given it will sub six seconds its approaching on dangerous territory, faster than a tt rx8 satndard boxster etc. if they put more power and lower that time further then theyll be in over their heads with the higher competitors as itll probably be reasonably cheap. might be a performance bargain, could sell well if it is. Also, the zt 260 is a fine car, read the ph review. much more than a "75 with an old v8"

mg-fido

453 posts

244 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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That looks pretty cool, would any of you guys buy one over a TF if it was reasonably priced? Oh, and what's this stuff about reliability, MG-ROVER have sorted out many of the problems seen in early Fs.

cathalm

606 posts

251 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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i was offered a tf 160 with 800 miles on the clock for 11500 at the weekend from a main dealer, hows that for reasonable?

Bill Carr

2,234 posts

241 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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cathalm said:
Also, the zt 260 is a fine car, read the ph review. much more than a "75 with an old v8"


I'm sure it is, but if they sell more than a dozen I'll be surprised (albeit pleasantly). It ain't the answer to MGR's problems.

havoc

30,892 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Pricing is sure to be keen, for the performance, but residuals will be terrible, and as for service...MG/Rover dealers still seem to have the "Vauxhall disease" in that regard...

KV-6 engine...no way MG will get 250bhp out of that without Forced Induction - they haven't the powertrain engineers or the build quality to manage that. 200bhp is probably the practical maximum they could manage without expensive changes like direct injection or variable-valve timing.

Looks...dated. It'll be old-fashioned when it's released...and look how that's hurt Jaguar sales!!!

Newromancer

703 posts

269 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Yes!!!

I was hoping MG would bring out a K V6 (GT?) Version - they let me wait quite a while - but good things need time.

Any ideas about the price Tag?
If it is reasonable cheaper then the TT it will be a sucess.

I guess it will be rather Expensive to maintain, (no more chance to excess the engine from the top), but who cares.

www.mg-rover.org/articles/showart.php?ArtID=525

havoc

30,892 posts

242 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Newromancer said:
Yes!!!
I guess it will be rather Expensive to maintain, (no more chance to excess the engine from the top), but who cares.
Erm, anyone who buys it from you after the warranty has run out???

I can't see anyone wanting to pay any serious money for a 3- or 4-year old, mid-engined coupe (where you can't work on the engine without a ramp), from a mfr with a reputation for poor reliability.

So residuals are going to be abysmal for the class...so the "real" purchase cost of the car (i.e. depreciation over the (assumed) 3 years of ownership) is going to be similar to the TT/350Z/...so which badge are you going to go for???

e.g £20k MG-GT vs £25k 350Z vs £26k TT. Residuals after 3 years are (at a guess) £8k vs £13k vs £15k

So the MG has cost you £12k; the 350Z £12k; the TT £11k.

Still look like a good option???

dinkel

27,177 posts

265 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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havoc said:

KV-6 engine...no way MG will get 250bhp out of that without Forced Induction - ...


Turbo wil do. 2.5 / 200 and 2.5 / 250 turbo. Or maybe make it a bit bigger?

Newromancer

703 posts

269 months

Tuesday 16th November 2004
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Will bring the MG to the 100tkm servcie tomorrow ... and it will cost me aprox. 1000,- EURO

Midengine cars are espensive to maintain ... and MG's are even worse.

However, as expensive as it is ... it is every 5 years and you can prepare yourself to it.

Okay, I never driven the 350Z (I really should ask a friend to let me drive it once around the block.)
But, when I was up to buy the MGF, I figured out that it is actually smaller inside then the Z3 (who belonged to a friend, the first roadster I drove and brought me up to the idea of buying somethng like this), so I had a look at the competition ... like the Audi TT.

The Audi TT is a good car ... it accelerates nicely and if you drive a lot on the freeway (Autobahn) it is for 100% a better car then the MG.
However, if you love curvy B-roads and hills ... and just want to accelerate out from one corner and let yourself run smoothly into the next ... if that is what you want, the MG quite simply plays in the different league.

Now lets say you cam back from the test drive. The TT was well made and did was it promised, but the MG made you grin for houers even days after you stopped driving it ... what would you buy?

The more expensive but reliable TT?
Or the cheaper, but more expensive to maintain MG?