Making the Midget go faster?
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Need some ideas people. Just got back from the retro car show having run my 5 speed but other wise near standard 1275 RWA down the strip. It was slow, very slow! This is not good as my mates fast road spec BGT took 3 seconds out of me without even trying. Got a few ideas about getting more power but am open to suggestions bearing in mind I have very little cash. Im almost on the verge of selling up and buying a westfield which is not good.
Im in the process of fitting a turbo to my 1098 1965 midget.
There are currently 2 Midgets that im aware of in the UK with turbos, makes fun driving.
www.turbomidget.connectfree.co.uk/nographics.htm
This is Simons old web page on his which has a 1275 engine. Ive taken loads of bigger better pics if they will help.
There are currently 2 Midgets that im aware of in the UK with turbos, makes fun driving.
www.turbomidget.connectfree.co.uk/nographics.htm
This is Simons old web page on his which has a 1275 engine. Ive taken loads of bigger better pics if they will help.
You could also do a frontline conversion with a K series engine, they are stupidly quick but its a bit costly to do.
There is also many engine mods done on the internet including a V8 that ive seen (Bet thats scary)
You could also fit a supercharger
www.peterrenn.clara.net/midget.html
There is also many engine mods done on the internet including a V8 that ive seen (Bet thats scary)
You could also fit a supercharger
www.peterrenn.clara.net/midget.html
boredpilot said:
There is also many engine mods done on the internet including a V8 that ive seen (Bet thats scary)
My sister has a midget she's looking to sell on and my father has a 3.5 rover V8 sitting in the garage. I've thought of amalgamating the two, but I imagine getting the V8 to fit will be an effort!
Boredpilot
Thought about going K series as well as there is a company near me who "reckon" they can do it cheaper than frontline (Morris Minor specialist) but its still a bit pricey for me. Also looked into Jack Knight twin cam head, cross flows and superchargers but keep coming up against the cost thing!
Turbo power in midget on the other hand sounds spot on. How expensive is yours turning out to be? Be interesting to see how it goes. Is turbo lag a problem or is the power progressive enough for no backwards through hedges experiences?
This could be the way forward.
Thought about going K series as well as there is a company near me who "reckon" they can do it cheaper than frontline (Morris Minor specialist) but its still a bit pricey for me. Also looked into Jack Knight twin cam head, cross flows and superchargers but keep coming up against the cost thing!
Turbo power in midget on the other hand sounds spot on. How expensive is yours turning out to be? Be interesting to see how it goes. Is turbo lag a problem or is the power progressive enough for no backwards through hedges experiences?
This could be the way forward.
OK cost
You will need (if you do it same way as simon)
1. MG Metro Turbo
2. MG Metro Exhaust manitfold section onto turbo (its realy just a 90 degree section)
3. MG Metro Turbo Carb (Not sure if the standard MG metro one will work as they are slightly different, throttle on different side, pipes slightly different place).
4. Inlet manifold for MG Metro Turbo (Im going to try the standard MG metro one so to try and avoid having to modify the bonnet.
5. Some pipes for a fuel return, oil return from turbo, oil to turbo, air to boost gauge, air to fish tank valve for the adjustable nature
6. High pressure fuel pump, any turbos will do
7. Boost sensing fuel regulater, any should do but the metros is fine
8. New exhaust section to clamp to your old.
9. Plenum chamber you could make one but why bother if you can get hold of one for the metro
10. fish tank valve
Costs so far
I bought the turbo, inlet, outlet carb plenum chamber, fuel pump for £50 of simon, there are some about in scrappers, have seen a few on ebay.
Fuel regulator from scrappy on honda for 7.50
Some pipes 10
2x fish tank valves (dont do singles) 1.29
Exhaust to get expecting about £30
Boost gauge to get expecting £20
So far about £120, and that would be to finish
There is some turbo lag, the metro turbo can do upto 21 psi, but 10 is way quickenough.
You will need (if you do it same way as simon)
1. MG Metro Turbo
2. MG Metro Exhaust manitfold section onto turbo (its realy just a 90 degree section)
3. MG Metro Turbo Carb (Not sure if the standard MG metro one will work as they are slightly different, throttle on different side, pipes slightly different place).
4. Inlet manifold for MG Metro Turbo (Im going to try the standard MG metro one so to try and avoid having to modify the bonnet.
5. Some pipes for a fuel return, oil return from turbo, oil to turbo, air to boost gauge, air to fish tank valve for the adjustable nature
6. High pressure fuel pump, any turbos will do
7. Boost sensing fuel regulater, any should do but the metros is fine
8. New exhaust section to clamp to your old.
9. Plenum chamber you could make one but why bother if you can get hold of one for the metro
10. fish tank valve
Costs so far
I bought the turbo, inlet, outlet carb plenum chamber, fuel pump for £50 of simon, there are some about in scrappers, have seen a few on ebay.
Fuel regulator from scrappy on honda for 7.50
Some pipes 10
2x fish tank valves (dont do singles
) 1.29 Exhaust to get expecting about £30
Boost gauge to get expecting £20
So far about £120, and that would be to finish
There is some turbo lag, the metro turbo can do upto 21 psi, but 10 is way quickenough.
Cheers
Looks the cheapest way to go so far and 10 psi sounds good
Just looked at your link to Simons page. If he reckons 7 psi is good then 10 must give plenty enough power to blow those bloody MGBs into touch including my mates supercharged job
Let me know how yours goes when its done.
With all the mini tuners out there I guess there's also plenty of scope for even more power which is all good.
Looks the cheapest way to go so far and 10 psi sounds good
Just looked at your link to Simons page. If he reckons 7 psi is good then 10 must give plenty enough power to blow those bloody MGBs into touch including my mates supercharged job Let me know how yours goes when its done. With all the mini tuners out there I guess there's also plenty of scope for even more power which is all good.
You could do the K-series yourself - there's a lot of labour involved but that's why places charge a lot to do it as well as parts. They are getting up to 200bhp plus now.
Bore it out to 1380, get a racing head and a webber, change the cam and exhaust??
Or the Turbo option sound like fun
Bore it out to 1380, get a racing head and a webber, change the cam and exhaust??
Or the Turbo option sound like fun
Have heard rumours of big disc conversion using Vauxhall bits for about £100. Bromsgrove MG Centre apparently. Going to give them a bell soon cos that looks tempting.
As for the K Series option I have a feeling every man and his dog is going to have one in their car soon. Garage near me is even putting them in Morris Minor Travelers for god sake! Figure the Turbo option is for now a little different and the thought of waste gate chatter from a 30 year old MG is making me laugh already. In fact people in the office are starting to give me funny looks
As for the K Series option I have a feeling every man and his dog is going to have one in their car soon. Garage near me is even putting them in Morris Minor Travelers for god sake! Figure the Turbo option is for now a little different and the thought of waste gate chatter from a 30 year old MG is making me laugh already. In fact people in the office are starting to give me funny looks
This is current selection + the metro vented
www.petermayengineering.co.uk/
£100 sounds a bargain compared to these prices.
With the 9ins, spacers are required for steering arm, so going larger must require a little more modification.
www.petermayengineering.co.uk/
£100 sounds a bargain compared to these prices.
With the 9ins, spacers are required for steering arm, so going larger must require a little more modification.
Keep me posted on the bigger brakes id like to stop when ive got the turbo spinning.
Any idea anyone as to what rear calipers and discs fit the rear of a midget.
Ok and the hardest question.
Just getting the last bits so I can spend a day converting to a turbo.
Does anyone know if Smiths ever mad a boost gauge?
Any idea anyone as to what rear calipers and discs fit the rear of a midget.
Ok and the hardest question.
Just getting the last bits so I can spend a day converting to a turbo.
Does anyone know if Smiths ever mad a boost gauge?
No idea about a boost gauge sorry, although have you tried Demon Tweaks? Will ask around though. As for rear brakes etc I have been looking into the kit the Morris Minor specialists near me do. I figure the running gear for minors and midgets is near enough the same so most of it should fit. They use a modified escort rear axle with capri drums for their 170+ bhp cars. The axle is also five linked. (I think 5 anyway, they definately tie it down well!)
they also do turreted rear suspension, front coil overs as well as big disc conversions. Don't seem bad prices either although price list on web is a year or two old now.
Try:
www.jlhmorrisminors.co.uk/
they also do turreted rear suspension, front coil overs as well as big disc conversions. Don't seem bad prices either although price list on web is a year or two old now.
Try:
www.jlhmorrisminors.co.uk/
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