Why is this still for sale?
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As a guy looking for a new (2nd) set of wheels I've been considering a variety of options - including an Aero 8. I've had several TVRs, classic Lotii, Italian stuff etc, but can't help thinking that Morgan's time, ironically, is about to come in its 100th Year.
Can't buy this particular car as the selling dealer won't take my Ducati in part exchange, but I'd be interested to know from Morganistsis whether an Aero is a serious consideration for my spirited driving habits.
Thanks in advance for any opinion from a bit of a Tivhead.
As a guy looking for a new (2nd) set of wheels I've been considering a variety of options - including an Aero 8. I've had several TVRs, classic Lotii, Italian stuff etc, but can't help thinking that Morgan's time, ironically, is about to come in its 100th Year.
Can't buy this particular car as the selling dealer won't take my Ducati in part exchange, but I'd be interested to know from Morganistsis whether an Aero is a serious consideration for my spirited driving habits.
Thanks in advance for any opinion from a bit of a Tivhead.
Edited by Jappo on Thursday 2nd April 23:30
Welcome!
I'm on my second Aero 8 now and have run them for the last 4-5 years. I was a real appreciator of Tivs (though ended up with a Maserati 3200 instead of a Cerb prior to being an Aero convert).
Aero is huge fun, very well screwed together and damn reliable. I'd say go for it. Servicing is around 500-1000 per year, very little goes wrong with them at all, and they hold their money well.
Series 1's around in the 30k bracket. Series II's in the 40k bracket, Series 3's in the 50k range and series 4's in the 60k+ range.
Aeromax will be 6 figures - if you can find one.
Key decision is Series 1 (racecar - low profile body raw(er) experience - kind of like a larger more comfortable caterham)
or Series II / III / IV - same length / width, but 6" more cockpit space and slightly taller roof. This is more comfy (though still a bruising performer.
Series I's have 286bhp (tunable to around 310)
Series II / II have 330bhp (tunable to around 365bhp)
Series 4 is 365bhp (tunable to ? probably at least 400bhp).
All in the cars weigh around 1150-1200kgs (wet) depending on spec.
Experts here in all Aero models. Main advice - go drive one!
Its a very modern car - series II onwards has ABS airbags etc, but put together in a really traditional (but high tech - check the bonded ally chassis) way by true craftsmen. All ally body as well
Mail me off forum for more specific info.
I'm on my second Aero 8 now and have run them for the last 4-5 years. I was a real appreciator of Tivs (though ended up with a Maserati 3200 instead of a Cerb prior to being an Aero convert).
Aero is huge fun, very well screwed together and damn reliable. I'd say go for it. Servicing is around 500-1000 per year, very little goes wrong with them at all, and they hold their money well.
Series 1's around in the 30k bracket. Series II's in the 40k bracket, Series 3's in the 50k range and series 4's in the 60k+ range.
Aeromax will be 6 figures - if you can find one.
Key decision is Series 1 (racecar - low profile body raw(er) experience - kind of like a larger more comfortable caterham)
or Series II / III / IV - same length / width, but 6" more cockpit space and slightly taller roof. This is more comfy (though still a bruising performer.
Series I's have 286bhp (tunable to around 310)
Series II / II have 330bhp (tunable to around 365bhp)
Series 4 is 365bhp (tunable to ? probably at least 400bhp).
All in the cars weigh around 1150-1200kgs (wet) depending on spec.
Experts here in all Aero models. Main advice - go drive one!
Its a very modern car - series II onwards has ABS airbags etc, but put together in a really traditional (but high tech - check the bonded ally chassis) way by true craftsmen. All ally body as well
Mail me off forum for more specific info.
Hi Jappo,
I can only eco what mr tony has said, you got to try one, they are huge fun & very rapid!
I came from a back ground of Tivs & Caterhams (as many Aero owners have) & I wouldn’t now look back.
I’m currently in an S1, but recently started to think about an S4, the S1 is the purest driving experience (but then all S1 owners say that!), my point is, for me I would look at anything else.
Matt
I can only eco what mr tony has said, you got to try one, they are huge fun & very rapid!
I came from a back ground of Tivs & Caterhams (as many Aero owners have) & I wouldn’t now look back.
I’m currently in an S1, but recently started to think about an S4, the S1 is the purest driving experience (but then all S1 owners say that!), my point is, for me I would look at anything else.
Matt
Jappo,
As the guys have said you will enjoy it. Have you been for a test drive yet.
If not visit one of the dealers they are very friendly and after my initial test drive and knew that what a wanted next.
Like Mr tony I have one of the rare Series II cars
and wouldn't want for anything else except an Aeromax or even son of Aeromax.
As the guys have said you will enjoy it. Have you been for a test drive yet.
If not visit one of the dealers they are very friendly and after my initial test drive and knew that what a wanted next.
Like Mr tony I have one of the rare Series II cars
and wouldn't want for anything else except an Aeromax or even son of Aeromax.bordseye said:
Why is it still for sale? Just read the advert and take note of the sellers attitude. I wouldnt buy from him - he comes over as arrogant.
Agree with you. This was one of the first adverts I looked at - the car looks v. nice but I didn't make the call due to the arrogant wording.Jappo said:
As a guy looking for a new (2nd) set of wheels I've been
considering a variety of options - including an Aero 8.
They are definitely worth considering. You are getting good advice here.considering a variety of options - including an Aero 8.
I would not be too concerned about the personality of sellers. You are buying a car, not a mate. Frankly, a lack of buyer/seller camaraderie will make you properly cautious.
Never buy any Morgan without a survey from a recommended Morgan dealer, unless you are buying from such a dealer. Buying a used mog through a "good" Morgan dealer may cost a tad more but they will normally know the car from birth or detailed inspection and stand behind it until you are happy.
I like the Series I myself. The front may take some getting used to but the side view is sublime, and the rear end treatment is by far the best of the lot. It is also the most sporty feeling to drive as it is setup as a race car rather than a touring car. But try them all to find the one for you.
The Series II Aeros are rare only on the east side of the Atlantic. They were designed for the US market and make up 75% of the US Aero population. They have the later Aero rear and the earlier front.
It is a buyer's market at the moment for most Morgans. Of course, sellers are still asking large prices, but they are not getting them (unless they luck into someone who is unaware of the Morgan market or a buyer who is immediately besotted. Happily the latter reaction is VERY common with Morgans.
I have recently watched splendid Series IIIs (2007-2008) go for prices near what your fellow is asking for his Series I.
My advice is not to bargain. Just practise patience and courtesy. AFTER you know what you want, contact the sellers who are advertising your prospects and, converse with them (possibly meet with them) politely indicate that you ARE interested, you love the car, but the price is too high for you. Leave them your number and encourage them to call if their expectations or circumstances change. Be patient. You will end up getting what you want with a 20-25% saving. (Get a survey nonethless.)
Good hunting!
Lorne
joncon said:
thought i would just add my thoughts to the above post with ref to 20-25% savings, if you were from the euro zone , given the current exchange rates in their favour, a lot of sportscars are being snapped up and being exported. they are saving 30% ish on the exchange rate.
Quite true! Curiously, the euro asking prices do not reflect the new exchange on either new or used Morgans. Additionally, the company has increased new LHD Morgan prices by 10%.
L.
There is a lovely looking 16k mile 2003 S1 at Perranwell's that I will be taking a look at next week: http://www.perranwell.co.uk/moghtml/0usedcar.htm and also a leggier (30K mile) 2002 car at RPM: http://www.perranwell.co.uk/moghtml/0usedcar.htm
Do any of you know these cars, or have any opinion - seems funny that one is a Year younger than the other and has roughly half the mileage but both are up for the same £35K. As a cash buyer what should I be paying for either of these cars - which should I go for, if either?
Thanks again, in advance, for your help and opinion.
Do any of you know these cars, or have any opinion - seems funny that one is a Year younger than the other and has roughly half the mileage but both are up for the same £35K. As a cash buyer what should I be paying for either of these cars - which should I go for, if either?
Thanks again, in advance, for your help and opinion.
Jappo said:
There is a lovely looking 16k mile 2003 S1 at Perranwell's that I will be taking a look at next week: http://www.perranwell.co.uk/moghtml/0usedcar.htm and also a leggier (30K mile) 2002 car at RPM
-seems funny that one is a Year younger than the other and has roughly half the mileage but both are up for the same £35K. As a cash buyer what should I be paying for either of these cars - which should I go for, if either?
Thanks again, in advance, for your help and opinion.
-seems funny that one is a Year younger than the other and has roughly half the mileage but both are up for the same £35K. As a cash buyer what should I be paying for either of these cars - which should I go for, if either?
Thanks again, in advance, for your help and opinion.
Same car is for sale at a higher price here. http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...
It is as I said above. Everyone is asking all sorts of prices..but they are not getting them. At the moment, it is a buyer's market and no one knows what a car will sell for, and that includes the dealers. Additionally, Morgan dealers most often act as commission agents, selling someone else's car. They can influence and persuade but not set the price. (By law, they have to inform the client of any offer.)
With these factors, asking prices are all over the map. Year, value, mileage, condition have much less to do with what you will pay than how much the seller wants/needs your money and/or how impatient you are.
Politely offer what you feel like and stick to it until you get it (or love forces you to buy it for more!
). If you pushed me, I would say NOT to offer more than 30k for a private sale Series I in surveyed PRIME condition and not more than 32k if you are buying through a reputable agent. My guess is that this market will endure at least a year. Don't be in a hurry.
Lorne
P.S. What a cool plate! http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...
car from one of the best dealers
http://www.morgan-cars.com/usedcars/com682.htm
gomog said:
Jappo said:
There is a lovely looking 16k mile 2003 S1 at Perranwell's that I will be taking a look at next week: http://www.perranwell.co.uk/moghtml/0usedcar.htm and also a leggier (30K mile) 2002 car at RPM
-seems funny that one is a Year younger than the other and has roughly half the mileage but both are up for the same £35K. As a cash buyer what should I be paying for either of these cars - which should I go for, if either?
Thanks again, in advance, for your help and opinion.
-seems funny that one is a Year younger than the other and has roughly half the mileage but both are up for the same £35K. As a cash buyer what should I be paying for either of these cars - which should I go for, if either?
Thanks again, in advance, for your help and opinion.
Same car is for sale at a higher price here. http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...
It is as I said above. Everyone is asking all sorts of prices..but they are not getting them. At the moment, it is a buyer's market and no one knows what a car will sell for, and that includes the dealers. Additionally, Morgan dealers most often act as commission agents, selling someone else's car. They can influence and persuade but not set the price. (By law, they have to inform the client of any offer.)
With these factors, asking prices are all over the map. Year, value, mileage, condition have much less to do with what you will pay than how much the seller wants/needs your money and/or how impatient you are.
Politely offer what you feel like and stick to it until you get it (or love forces you to buy it for more!
). If you pushed me, I would say NOT to offer more than 30k for a private sale Series I in surveyed PRIME condition and not more than 32k if you are buying through a reputable agent. My guess is that this market will endure at least a year. Don't be in a hurry.
Lorne
P.S. What a cool plate! http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...
car from one of the best dealers
http://www.morgan-cars.com/usedcars/com682.htm
Edited by Jappo on Sunday 12th April 00:27
gomog said:
P.S. What a cool plate! http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...
I know the owners of this car. Really nice people. They will be picking up their series 4 any day soon. Most times I have met them has been in the south of France at the annual Aero Owners club meet and I know that they toured in it extensively this most of the mileage was probably motorway. It always seemed a nice car.
The only thing I would add to all that has been said is don't wait to buy the 'bargain'. These cars are generally loved and revered and more often than not owners will simply not sell rather than accept a particularly low price. Of course you may be lucky.
For me the car you buy is far more important than the price and if you pay acouple more £k for the right car you will appreciate it more during ownership and may well recoup it on sale
Good luck in your search.
Good advice from Boshly Jappo, many of these Aero's are owned by'known personalities' in the Aero community and thus their provenance is known by the Aero community here and on TalkMorgan.
Feel free to ask any of us for advice on particular cars, and good luck in your search for the right Aero 8.
Feel free to ask any of us for advice on particular cars, and good luck in your search for the right Aero 8.
gomog said:
Jappo said:
Not the same car(s) at all - if you are referring to my previous posts.
Sorry Jappo. Got the links mixed up. Am I wrong or is your first and second link the same car?L.
and here is the second: http://atsearch.autotrader.co.uk/www/cars_popup.js...
Boshly said:
gomog said:
P.S. What a cool plate! http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-pa...
I know the owners of this car. Really nice people. They will be picking up their series 4 any day soon. Most times I have met them has been in the south of France at the annual Aero Owners club meet and I know that they toured in it extensively this most of the mileage was probably motorway. It always seemed a nice car.
The only thing I would add to all that has been said is don't wait to buy the 'bargain'. These cars are generally loved and revered and more often than not owners will simply not sell rather than accept a particularly low price. Of course you may be lucky.
For me the car you buy is far more important than the price and if you pay acouple more £k for the right car you will appreciate it more during ownership and may well recoup it on sale
Good luck in your search.
Speaking as a total Morgan ignoramus, can someone summarize the appeal of these cars for me, and comment on the relative merits of the Plus 8 and the roadster in comparison? Or alternatively direct me to where to look.
I've sat in one (stationary) and they do look good, but that's as much as I know.
I've sat in one (stationary) and they do look good, but that's as much as I know.
In response to the initial post in this thread, the 6000 mile Aero 8 is, I believe, now sold.
Cardigankid, it's very difficult to summarize the appeal of a Morgan. Be it a 4/4, +4 or Aero. Without wishing to sound corny, when buying a Morgan it's not just a car you get but the friendship of Morganeers worldwide. Best thing is to go to a couple of MSSC centre events, meet the people and you will start to see what it is about. This doesn't mean though that you have to be a member of the MSCC to enjoy a Morgan.
Comparing the Aero 8 to a +8 is not easy due to the fact that the Aero 8 has evolved considerably from the S1 to the S4. Likewise early +8s are quite different beasts to the last cars.
I owned a 1978 +8 and now a 2002 S1 Aero. Chalk and cheese yet I find the same rawness in both, albeit with more creature comforts on the Aero 8, whilst SWMBO wouldn't hesitate between the two. That said she like I got a huge amount of fun out of the +8.
So talk to owners, drop me a PM if you wish and I'll happily talk to you for hours about the subject.
Cheers
Philip
Cardigankid, it's very difficult to summarize the appeal of a Morgan. Be it a 4/4, +4 or Aero. Without wishing to sound corny, when buying a Morgan it's not just a car you get but the friendship of Morganeers worldwide. Best thing is to go to a couple of MSSC centre events, meet the people and you will start to see what it is about. This doesn't mean though that you have to be a member of the MSCC to enjoy a Morgan.
Comparing the Aero 8 to a +8 is not easy due to the fact that the Aero 8 has evolved considerably from the S1 to the S4. Likewise early +8s are quite different beasts to the last cars.
I owned a 1978 +8 and now a 2002 S1 Aero. Chalk and cheese yet I find the same rawness in both, albeit with more creature comforts on the Aero 8, whilst SWMBO wouldn't hesitate between the two. That said she like I got a huge amount of fun out of the +8.
So talk to owners, drop me a PM if you wish and I'll happily talk to you for hours about the subject.
Cheers
Philip
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