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before I start let me say this isnt a troll or an attempt to wind up but simply an attempt to undertstand. And what set me off was the thread below about the age of Morgan drivers
I'm a life long petrolhead and now in my early 60s (sadly ) I have an Elise R and my wife has a Smart roadster. I'm old enough to be able to compare them with the cars that were around in the 60s like the Spitfire, the MGB and indeed the Morgan. And there is no comparison, in performance , in build quality, in finish and comfort with the Spitfire or GT6 that I then had. So I imagine a Morgan as a 1960s car still being built today for those who want nostalgia and didnt even consider one when I bought the Lotus from a garage that sold both.
Was I wrong? What am I missing? Is a Morgan simply old fashioned made today or is it a car that can be compared side by side with truly modern designs?
I'm a life long petrolhead and now in my early 60s (sadly ) I have an Elise R and my wife has a Smart roadster. I'm old enough to be able to compare them with the cars that were around in the 60s like the Spitfire, the MGB and indeed the Morgan. And there is no comparison, in performance , in build quality, in finish and comfort with the Spitfire or GT6 that I then had. So I imagine a Morgan as a 1960s car still being built today for those who want nostalgia and didnt even consider one when I bought the Lotus from a garage that sold both.
Was I wrong? What am I missing? Is a Morgan simply old fashioned made today or is it a car that can be compared side by side with truly modern designs?
bordseye said:
before I start let me say this isnt a troll or an attempt to wind up but simply an attempt to undertstand. And what set me off was the thread below about the age of Morgan drivers
I'm a life long petrolhead and now in my early 60s (sadly ) I have an Elise R and my wife has a Smart roadster. I'm old enough to be able to compare them with the cars that were around in the 60s like the Spitfire, the MGB and indeed the Morgan. And there is no comparison, in performance , in build quality, in finish and comfort with the Spitfire or GT6 that I then had. So I imagine a Morgan as a 1960s car still being built today for those who want nostalgia and didnt even consider one when I bought the Lotus from a garage that sold both.
Was I wrong? What am I missing? Is a Morgan simply old fashioned made today or is it a car that can be compared side by side with truly modern designs?
It's my impression that the Morgan traditional design has matured in build quality, usability and power. Based on experience of Morgans from 1936 until the current models (excluding Roadster).I'm a life long petrolhead and now in my early 60s (sadly ) I have an Elise R and my wife has a Smart roadster. I'm old enough to be able to compare them with the cars that were around in the 60s like the Spitfire, the MGB and indeed the Morgan. And there is no comparison, in performance , in build quality, in finish and comfort with the Spitfire or GT6 that I then had. So I imagine a Morgan as a 1960s car still being built today for those who want nostalgia and didnt even consider one when I bought the Lotus from a garage that sold both.
Was I wrong? What am I missing? Is a Morgan simply old fashioned made today or is it a car that can be compared side by side with truly modern designs?
Whilst I would would conceed that traditional models even in the later incarnations do not offer quite an equal proposition to current cars such as the Elise and the Smart, I can say that they are getting closer all the time. A good example is the 1999 4/4 4 Seater which is used as a family car all year round.
I would say that the Aero however really does up the anty to a position which in my books trumps the likes of the Elise & Smart in many areas. I would also say that it goes some whay to offering a credible alternative to the more main stream Mercedes SLK/SL and Porsche (hence the heratage of a lot of the current owners).
As far as drivability I compete a 1985 4/4 1600 CVH on Carb in the Morgan Sprint series and would never consider this a daily driver. Considering it's reasonably modified for track work it's not quite up to the tractability of an "out of the box" Elise and this shows in the lap times. I also drive it to and from the track and I assure you that the Elise owners who drive to the track have a more comfortable journey. Both in terms of ride and draftyness!!
All that said, with suitable upgrade the later engined, Zetec, Duratec and V6 engined traditional cars can be made to be comfortable daily propositions which easy-up hoods, bettter sealing side-screens (google simmonds). And many other upgrades, but as an "out of the box" offering only the Aero get's into the modern car league.
Interesting. Does the Aero still have the old style sliding pillar front suspension? Its certainly a good looking car.
I couldnt find the new price of an Aero but the second hand prices I saw were in the 50/60k bracket which puts them in the same territory as a 911 or the bottom of the Aston range or the Audi R8. No Lotus equivalent (yet) but would you say the Aero would bear comparison with these two?
I couldnt find the new price of an Aero but the second hand prices I saw were in the 50/60k bracket which puts them in the same territory as a 911 or the bottom of the Aston range or the Audi R8. No Lotus equivalent (yet) but would you say the Aero would bear comparison with these two?
bordseye said:
Interesting. Does the Aero still have the old style sliding pillar front suspension? Its certainly a good looking car.
I couldnt find the new price of an Aero but the second hand prices I saw were in the 50/60k bracket which puts them in the same territory as a 911 or the bottom of the Aston range or the Audi R8. No Lotus equivalent (yet) but would you say the Aero would bear comparison with these two?
The Aero has in-board sprung double wishbone suspension on the front and double wishbone with springs mounted between the wishbones on the back and a central bonded tub similar to that in the Elise but shares much DNA with the current Aston chassis.I couldnt find the new price of an Aero but the second hand prices I saw were in the 50/60k bracket which puts them in the same territory as a 911 or the bottom of the Aston range or the Audi R8. No Lotus equivalent (yet) but would you say the Aero would bear comparison with these two?
I would say that the Aero has a direct comparison to the Aston, 911 or the Audi. The Aston or Audi especially as these both use effectively "brought in" engines. The Aero currently has a 4.8 BMW V8 with 368Bhp which would place it favourably against the Aston Power to Weight. The Audi punches above that however tweaking can be done to the Aero engine to get it up over 400bhp if needed.
All, other than the 911 have Aluminium body pannels but I believe the Aero is the lightest at 1170kg. the others more like 1300kg.
As for the interior, the current Aero is pretty comparable to the Aston more-so than the 911 or the Audi.
S1 Aero's have a raw feel, they are direct decendents from the Le-Mans racer with rose-joint suspension, engine, gearbox and diff directly bolted to the chassis (testament to the smoothness of the V8) and Magnesium centre-lock wheels. It also has a narrower central tub so driver/passengers need to be of the svelt variety to gain maximum comfort. One side benefit this creates is an optical illusion that makes the S1 look more aggresive on the road, lower and wider... although the external dimentions are almost identical to the later cars.
The Later models have more space in the cabin due to a wider central tub, boot as it has a higher/deeeper lid and an easier to put up roof which aids driving in mixed conditions. It also has more conventional 5 bolt wheels. Overall the later cars continuing with the currently available Mk4 are more aimed at Grand Touring dutues rather than out-and-out racer which is where the S1 came from.
As for Elise comparison... the S1'S are holding their values at 35k-40k with later models more around the 50k plus. New Aero's directly from a dealer will be more like 70k ish.
As an alternative to a NEW Elise the used S1 Aero would be nearly in the ball-park in terms of purchase price.. but I would say is likely to cost significantly more to service and fill up with fuel on an Annual basis.
My 2 cnt.
As a future proposition I would say a 4 Cly version of the Aero based on the Life-car chassis or maybe even a straight 6 would be a viable alternative but then again I think Morgan are aiming at distinctly different markets from that of almost any of the Lotus offerings......
Been having a read of the Morgan site (they need a new brochure designer) and its a bit hard to get data but it seems to me that there are effectively 2 distinct ranges - the older style ones like the roadster and the modern design Aero.
I can see what you mean about the Aero. Its a bit the same approach as TVR - big powerful engine ina reasonably light chassis and well trimmed. There's nothing in the Lotus range that compares price wise at the moment though there is the Evora coming on soon. The power to weight is actually better than the Aston which weighs a surprising 1630kg with only !!? 425bhp. So the Aero seems to me like an interesting alternative to the 911 though I would still doubt that it has the every day car useability that Porker offer.
However I'm never going to spend 70k on a car - that would take too much from the boat fund ( I won my race yesterday - yeehah! :-)). My initial question was aimed at cars that would have been an alternative to my Elise so that suggests the Roadster to me. And whilst again I am surprised by the weight at about 1000kg which gives a similar power to weight ratio to the Elise (190bhp 850kg), I cant imagine that the suspension and chassis rigidity make the roadster compare with a modern design in the aerea that really matters - ride and roadholding. After all we cant use that much of the speed on british roads but we do have to use the ride over potholes and can enjoy the cornering.
But tell me if you disagree - I've already learned a lot I didnt know about the Aero.
I can see what you mean about the Aero. Its a bit the same approach as TVR - big powerful engine ina reasonably light chassis and well trimmed. There's nothing in the Lotus range that compares price wise at the moment though there is the Evora coming on soon. The power to weight is actually better than the Aston which weighs a surprising 1630kg with only !!? 425bhp. So the Aero seems to me like an interesting alternative to the 911 though I would still doubt that it has the every day car useability that Porker offer.
However I'm never going to spend 70k on a car - that would take too much from the boat fund ( I won my race yesterday - yeehah! :-)). My initial question was aimed at cars that would have been an alternative to my Elise so that suggests the Roadster to me. And whilst again I am surprised by the weight at about 1000kg which gives a similar power to weight ratio to the Elise (190bhp 850kg), I cant imagine that the suspension and chassis rigidity make the roadster compare with a modern design in the aerea that really matters - ride and roadholding. After all we cant use that much of the speed on british roads but we do have to use the ride over potholes and can enjoy the cornering.
But tell me if you disagree - I've already learned a lot I didnt know about the Aero.
Hello
I'm an ex-owner (13years) of a traditional Morgan +8 of 1978 vintage and since the beginning of the year a very happy owner of a 2002 Series 1 Aero 8.
I have also driven several Lotus Elises from early S1s to later 195bhp (?) S2s.
Unless you absolutely want a new car, your budget for a new Roadster will buy you a mint 2nd hand Aero 8 S1. You might want to consider going to a local Morgan dealership that has both a Roadster and a used S1 for sale and drive both. They are very different cars which each have their own charm, foibles etc. If though you really love the feel of the Lotus I would expect you get really excited in an S1. It feels similar to an Elise but with a lot more grunt (particularly low end).
Also if you happen to be in Toulouse I would gladly show you my S1. It's mint but is definitely not for sale. Plenty are though available and as others have said prices seem to vary from low £30ks to high £30ks depending I guess on mileage and condition.
Cheers
Philip
Aero 8 S1 (yellow of course)
I'm an ex-owner (13years) of a traditional Morgan +8 of 1978 vintage and since the beginning of the year a very happy owner of a 2002 Series 1 Aero 8.
I have also driven several Lotus Elises from early S1s to later 195bhp (?) S2s.
Unless you absolutely want a new car, your budget for a new Roadster will buy you a mint 2nd hand Aero 8 S1. You might want to consider going to a local Morgan dealership that has both a Roadster and a used S1 for sale and drive both. They are very different cars which each have their own charm, foibles etc. If though you really love the feel of the Lotus I would expect you get really excited in an S1. It feels similar to an Elise but with a lot more grunt (particularly low end).
Also if you happen to be in Toulouse I would gladly show you my S1. It's mint but is definitely not for sale. Plenty are though available and as others have said prices seem to vary from low £30ks to high £30ks depending I guess on mileage and condition.
Cheers
Philip
Aero 8 S1 (yellow of course)
OK here's my 2p's worth and to immediately lay my cards on the table I haven't even driven a traditional Morgan (though sat in a few 
). I have owned my Aero 8 series 2 for nearly three years (and Cerealsurfer - don't think I didn't notice your 'sveltness' comment for S1's 
To me the most obvious difference is that owning a Morgan, any Morgan, is a lifestyle choice as well as a choiceof vehicle. Nothing has come close to the camaraderie in my car owning life (westfield, Porsche, Ferrari, Honda, US muscle cars, BmW, Mercedes Lancia, VW and many others). You will notice I have owned neither Lotus nor TVR. I have driven a series 1 elise and thought it was an absolute hoot.
You see I would not, and do not, consider an elise/exige/Europa an everyday car. I am 46 and 18ish stone so not always going to be a diddle getting in and out but never an everyday car (by the way just reread that, that's 46 years old be 18 stone not 4'6" and 18 stone
)
I seriously considered a Vauxhall VXT as virtually an everyday car (I had a Shogun commercial at the time as well) and whilst a few years younger and a couple of stone lighter still didn't fancy the hassle after driving it extensively (I also had the Westfield MegaBird at the time).
So back to Morgans (the ones I haven't even driven ) easier to access (higher) doesn't attract the same boyracer image as an Elise (unfair on the car but regrettably true) less common more of a tourer and less of a track car/back road weapon and probably (purely IMHO) a bit sturdier. I would also suggest not a great deal in the performance but it's more of a surprise from the 'old looking wooden car' as opposed to the 'sporty thing'. Of course whilst the handling of the Morgan is meant to be nice, progressive and flat, I would suggest it's not a patch on the Elise/exige.
Of course there are many people who would take the Elise over a Morgan (backed up by my 'less common' comment above) but I would hazard a guess they would be generally younger?
It's all personal taste at the end of the day and I would love to own a lotus at some stage. However it would be as well as the Morgan and not instead of.....
Boshly
). I have owned my Aero 8 series 2 for nearly three years (and Cerealsurfer - don't think I didn't notice your 'sveltness' comment for S1's To me the most obvious difference is that owning a Morgan, any Morgan, is a lifestyle choice as well as a choiceof vehicle. Nothing has come close to the camaraderie in my car owning life (westfield, Porsche, Ferrari, Honda, US muscle cars, BmW, Mercedes Lancia, VW and many others). You will notice I have owned neither Lotus nor TVR. I have driven a series 1 elise and thought it was an absolute hoot.
You see I would not, and do not, consider an elise/exige/Europa an everyday car. I am 46 and 18ish stone so not always going to be a diddle getting in and out but never an everyday car (by the way just reread that, that's 46 years old be 18 stone not 4'6" and 18 stone
)I seriously considered a Vauxhall VXT as virtually an everyday car (I had a Shogun commercial at the time as well) and whilst a few years younger and a couple of stone lighter still didn't fancy the hassle after driving it extensively (I also had the Westfield MegaBird at the time).
So back to Morgans (the ones I haven't even driven
) easier to access (higher) doesn't attract the same boyracer image as an Elise (unfair on the car but regrettably true) less common more of a tourer and less of a track car/back road weapon and probably (purely IMHO) a bit sturdier. I would also suggest not a great deal in the performance but it's more of a surprise from the 'old looking wooden car' as opposed to the 'sporty thing'. Of course whilst the handling of the Morgan is meant to be nice, progressive and flat, I would suggest it's not a patch on the Elise/exige. Of course there are many people who would take the Elise over a Morgan (backed up by my 'less common' comment above) but I would hazard a guess they would be generally younger?
It's all personal taste at the end of the day and I would love to own a lotus at some stage. However it would be as well as the Morgan and not instead of.....
Boshly
I have only driven Elise's on the track so have no idea what they are like on the road for everyday use.
I have driven (only short drives) the Roadster and the 4/4 sport but not enough to give a meaningful opinion.
I have used an Aero series 3 as an almost everyday car (kept the mileage down to 20,000 for the year by also putting 7,000 miles on the Carver plus some on the motorbikes. I feel the Aero does make a great everyday car, fuel consumption pretty good considering the car's performance, servicing a hell of a lot cheaper than my previous car (mercedes) and when you want to meander along in a leisurely fashion, the car is a nice ride.
It is not a car for shrinking violets, it always attracts a lot of attention.
I get my series 4 on Friday and as I will be the first owner (I bought the S3 with 1800 miles on it)I intend not worrying about mileage and will do my best to wear out the engine over the coming years. I expect it will be a hard job, I've got 2 bikes to over 90,000 so far, a 2003 model and a 2000 model and they just keep bumbling along so I expect the relatively unstressed V8 to last forever.
The only thing you have to grow to appreiciate as far as I can see with the Morgan is the fact that water will almost certainly find its way into the cabin. Not sure how the Elise fares on that front but most people find that their Morgan will let water in to some degree 9some have managed to avoid it, but not many.
There seem to be a fair number of Series 1's available for sale, some seem coccooned and almost new. I haven't driven one to be able to pass judgement on how they compare to the latest incarnation but they seem a lot of car for a reasonable amount of money. Might be worth popping in to a Morgan dealer near you and giving one a try!
I have driven (only short drives) the Roadster and the 4/4 sport but not enough to give a meaningful opinion.
I have used an Aero series 3 as an almost everyday car (kept the mileage down to 20,000 for the year by also putting 7,000 miles on the Carver plus some on the motorbikes. I feel the Aero does make a great everyday car, fuel consumption pretty good considering the car's performance, servicing a hell of a lot cheaper than my previous car (mercedes) and when you want to meander along in a leisurely fashion, the car is a nice ride.
It is not a car for shrinking violets, it always attracts a lot of attention.
I get my series 4 on Friday and as I will be the first owner (I bought the S3 with 1800 miles on it)I intend not worrying about mileage and will do my best to wear out the engine over the coming years. I expect it will be a hard job, I've got 2 bikes to over 90,000 so far, a 2003 model and a 2000 model and they just keep bumbling along so I expect the relatively unstressed V8 to last forever.
The only thing you have to grow to appreiciate as far as I can see with the Morgan is the fact that water will almost certainly find its way into the cabin. Not sure how the Elise fares on that front but most people find that their Morgan will let water in to some degree 9some have managed to avoid it, but not many.
There seem to be a fair number of Series 1's available for sale, some seem coccooned and almost new. I haven't driven one to be able to pass judgement on how they compare to the latest incarnation but they seem a lot of car for a reasonable amount of money. Might be worth popping in to a Morgan dealer near you and giving one a try!
Interesting reply from Bolshy - much of which I can relate to. The Elise would be a PIA as everyday transport depending on drivers age (I'm 63!) and weight. At the moment getting in is not at all bad but several of my friends simply cant make it at all.
The Elise is water tight - quality really has improved on the current models.
Anyway, thanks to everyone for the replies. Cant see myself buying an Aero - the cost is serious money and I'd no more spend that much on a Morgan than I would on a Lotus or would have done on a Noble / TVR / etc. Somehow at that cost I would want a known upmarket brand like Porker. But then everyone is different and our perception of what is upmarket is formed in our youth.
But a Roadster could well be the answer when an ageing body finally stops me getting inside the Lotus
The Elise is water tight - quality really has improved on the current models.
Anyway, thanks to everyone for the replies. Cant see myself buying an Aero - the cost is serious money and I'd no more spend that much on a Morgan than I would on a Lotus or would have done on a Noble / TVR / etc. Somehow at that cost I would want a known upmarket brand like Porker. But then everyone is different and our perception of what is upmarket is formed in our youth.
But a Roadster could well be the answer when an ageing body finally stops me getting inside the Lotus
bordseye, you answered your own question earlier. Aeros are not like other Morgan models. They drop in value rapidly. The cost of a new Roadster is much more than a little used Aero I, II. Wait a few months and the III will be there also. That makes them good a good buy if you proceed with caution. I agree with Phillippo. Buy a Series I unless you prefer touring cars.
I owned an Aero a few years back. It was a Series I and I enjoyed driving it. It had a great feeling. However, the car was simply too difficult to sort and service where I live. I gave up on it after seeing live at the Agent's most of the time I owned it. That has not changed. The first year is very frustrating.
Roadsters are different cars entirely. Very involving and requiring skill to drive well. Depending on which side of La Manche you buy it, it will hold its value.
James
I owned an Aero a few years back. It was a Series I and I enjoyed driving it. It had a great feeling. However, the car was simply too difficult to sort and service where I live. I gave up on it after seeing live at the Agent's most of the time I owned it. That has not changed. The first year is very frustrating.
Roadsters are different cars entirely. Very involving and requiring skill to drive well. Depending on which side of La Manche you buy it, it will hold its value.
James
Edited by Bartell on Tuesday 30th December 04:22
Edited by Bartell on Tuesday 30th December 04:22
Hi Lor sorry, James
Canadian French friend, last series 2 that sold, that I am aware of, went for £50k (one rumoured at £57k but not sure) thus making it more than a Roadster - though to be frank, dont really see your point 
However, dear OP as has been covered, it would appear that the cost of an Aero may put you off. But that shouldnt stop you buying a Morgan
Oh and OP, by the way, whilst it may be applicable sometimes (like when dealing with split personalities
) the name isnt Bolshy, its Boshly
Bartell said:
Aeros are not like other Morgan models.
Too true, as I'm led to believe. Both have their own magic but are different cars.Bartell said:
They drop in value rapidly.
Please read in context. In these troubled times of course they do. As will some Trads especially as we have moved on from the 7 year waiting lists though I of course concede that a Trad at £30k is more likely to hold more of its value than an Aero at £70k. They do bottom out quite nicely, £35k being the current baseline (ish of course) for a decent series 1.Bartell said:
The cost of a new Roadster is much more than a little used Aero I, II.
Absolute Balderdash my Bartell said:
Wait a few months and the III will be there also. That makes them good a good buy if you proceed with caution.
Not sure I quite agree with you there me ole China. But I think £50-£55k in a reasonable market.Bartell said:
I owned an Aero a few years back. It was a Series I and I enjoyed driving it. It had a great feeling.
Hmmmm me smelling bacon???Bartell said:
However, the car was simply too difficult to sort and service where I live.
My aero has been one of the easiest cars to deal with that I have owned. Cheap, simple, unstressed. The BMW engine is a jewel. Most people who have real experience of them dont feel that way; unless of course there are no dealers in whatever country you live in as Morgans aren't officially imported there?Bartell said:
I gave up on it after seeing live at the Agent's most of the time I owned it. That has not changed.
Again, I dis-agree and very unfair. I know of one that has been a persistent pain that has had quite a few trips to the dealers (minor but annoying stuff) but nearly all the rest have been fine (for a car thats not a Porsche!!).However, dear OP as has been covered, it would appear that the cost of an Aero may put you off. But that shouldnt stop you buying a Morgan
Oh and OP, by the way, whilst it may be applicable sometimes (like when dealing with split personalities
) the name isnt Bolshy, its Boshly Bartell said:
Boshly said:
Hi Lor sorry, James
D
Dear little person, D
Are you confusing me with someone you detest named Lor?
Your remarks are, as always, gibberish. I have ignore you for some time. Please extend me the same courtesy.
There's a good lad.
James
Actually I don't detest you, far from it, I actually admire your knowledge, your diction and your tenacity.
What I do detest is, most of your opinions (to wich you are entitled of course), your pig-headedness and your constant Aero sniping.
Live and let live my man
Edited by Boshly on Tuesday 30th December 22:09
Bartell said:
Boshly said:
Hi Lor sorry, James
D
Dear Bloshy, D
Do you confuse me with another villain you hate named Lor? Your remarks are gibberish.
I have ignored you for some time. I imagine most do. Please extend me the same courtesy.
There's a good lad.
J.
My new tag will be "Boshly - so good they replied to him twice"
My tale:-
Owned a Plus 8 at age 24
Always hankered after another one, so two years ago, and thirty years on, bought a new plus 4 Duratec, did not feel paying the extra £6/7k for the V6 roadster.......big mistake,..... as nice as the car was, I always felt it was underpowered, did not have the "urge", (or sound
....) of the Rover V8.
Now it's found a new owner, if ever I return to Morgan ownership, (which I plan to) it will be for a series 111 Aero......but I will definitely try before I buy......
Owned a Plus 8 at age 24
Always hankered after another one, so two years ago, and thirty years on, bought a new plus 4 Duratec, did not feel paying the extra £6/7k for the V6 roadster.......big mistake,..... as nice as the car was, I always felt it was underpowered, did not have the "urge", (or sound
....) of the Rover V8.Now it's found a new owner, if ever I return to Morgan ownership, (which I plan to) it will be for a series 111 Aero......but I will definitely try before I buy......
Boshly said:
constant Aero sniping.
Live and let live my man
Although personally for me I don't honestly see owning an Aero 8 as being a likely proposition, it doesn't stop me admiring and drooling over them at every opportunity. Good luck to them, I say, they are certainly the future for MMC.
But getting back to the OP's point: As others have said, I believe the Aero 8 is the only currently produced Morgan that can honestly hand-on-heart be considered to be a modern car. That's not to say the trads are not wonderful, in fact it's the very lack of modernity that allows them to provide such a pure driving experience. It's just that IMO most people don't actually want that rawness of experience in a day-to-day car - which is why MX5s are so popular.
Gaspode said:
But getting back to the OP's point: As others have said, I believe the Aero 8 is the only currently produced Morgan that can honestly hand-on-heart be considered to be a modern car. That's not to say the trads are not wonderful, in fact it's the very lack of modernity that allows them to provide such a pure driving experience. It's just that IMO most people don't actually want that rawness of experience in a day-to-day car - which is why MX5s are so popular.
There you go bordseye, the most concise and IMHO accurate answer to your original question and please note the "trads are wonderful" part and go and try one soon
Yes it seems to sum up the conclusion I had come to after reading all the posts. When it comes time to change, I will try a trad Morgan but as someone who believes strongly in technical progress, I doubt that it will fill my needs as much as a modern design like a Lotus. Pity the Aero is so expensive because its a cracking looking car with modern underpinnings.
Funny the way that marque enthusiasts argue quite bitterly at times. Same thing happens between S1 and S2 Lotus owners or between V Rod and traditional Harley owners and classic and modern Triumph bike owners.
Funny the way that marque enthusiasts argue quite bitterly at times. Same thing happens between S1 and S2 Lotus owners or between V Rod and traditional Harley owners and classic and modern Triumph bike owners.
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