No Pressure!
No Pressure!
Author
Discussion

schueymcfee

Original Poster:

1,575 posts

281 months

Sunday 24th March 2002
quotequote all
Dragged my Chimp out of the garage today to go for a spin after the winter. I started it up and it had a tapping noise. I decided to leave it to warm-up, but when I came back five minutes later the tapping noise had turned into a VERY loud tapping. It sounded more like there was a percussion ochestra practicing in my garage. Looked at the dash, no pressure. I shut it off staright away, but what I want to know is -

Have I done much damage to the engine? (it was just idling)
Is it worth changing the oil pump myself, and hoping for the best or should I have the engine dismantled first.

If it does turn out to be okay when I have changed the pump, have I shortned the engines lifespan?

Ive had a brand new 4.6 crossbolted block put in which is meant to be stronger, so am I going to be a lucky man?

ATG

22,259 posts

288 months

Sunday 24th March 2002
quotequote all
No expert but I doubt the damage would be that severe if the engine only ran a few minutes and wasn't under much load.

If the car hasn't been run for a while, is it possible the oil pump simply needs priming?

schueymcfee

Original Poster:

1,575 posts

281 months

Sunday 24th March 2002
quotequote all
I had it out yesterday and it was fine, so there might be a blockage in one of the oilways, but thanks for the re-assurance.

GreenV8S

30,922 posts

300 months

Sunday 24th March 2002
quotequote all
quote:
Dragged my Chimp out of the garage today to go for a spin after the winter. I started it up and it had a tapping noise. I decided to leave it to warm-up, but when I came back five minutes later the tapping noise had turned into a VERY loud tapping. It sounded more like there was a percussion ochestra practicing in my garage. Looked at the dash, no pressure. I shut it off staright away, but what I want to know is -

Have I done much damage to the engine? (it was just idling)
Is it worth changing the oil pump myself, and hoping for the best or should I have the engine dismantled first.

If it does turn out to be okay when I have changed the pump, have I shortned the engines lifespan?

Ive had a brand new 4.6 crossbolted block put in which is meant to be stronger, so am I going to be a lucky man?


Any idea what caused the lack of oil pressure? Suppose it could be the pump had drained after an extended lay-up but I've never heard of this happening to anyone else.

Whatever caused it, the bad news is cross bolting is no substitute for oil pressure, it's very possible that your engine has been wrecked. Five minutes is long enough to cause all sorts of damage and you may have taken out the cam and / or bearings. If there has been any damage at all this may have produced swarf which will now be kicking around inside the engine. When you start it this could be pumped around all the bearings, potentially causing expensive damage to bits which haven't been damaged so far. Unfortunately it's very hard to tell this without stripping the engine, which is a large part of the cost of repairing it anyway.

If you're feeling brave, you could try to get some oil pressure up and then restart it and see what happens. I would be quite surprised if the engine is still OK, but you don't have a great deal to lose now. For a pre-serpentine engine, I'd mark and remove the dizzy and drive the oil pump with a power drill to prime it and circulate the oil. Otherwise you are left with the 'pack the oil pump' routine and then spin the engine over with the fuel pump disconnected. Either way I'd suggest you don't think about firing it up until you've got oil pressure.

As soon as you have it fired up and running, I'd stop it and drain the oil. If this has metal in it, you've certainly got significant damage inside the engine, by flushing the oil you can stop it spreading but be prepared for expensive repairs in the near future. If the oil is clear, you may have got lucky and not have scrapped the engine but don't count on it.

Next year, make sure the battery voltage and oil pressure are normal before you go inside for your cup of tea!

Hope this helps,
Peter Humphries (and a green V8S)

schueymcfee

Original Poster:

1,575 posts

281 months

Sunday 24th March 2002
quotequote all
Thanks, I shall try it and keep my fingers crossed!

trefor

14,685 posts

299 months

Monday 25th March 2002
quotequote all
quote:

No expert but I doubt the damage would be that severe if the engine only ran a few minutes and wasn't under much load.


Not so sure - idling places the greatest pressure on some of the turning components in the engine, esp. when cold. That's why when you fit a new camshaft they tell you to keep between 2-3k rpm for 5 minutes.

schueymcfee

Original Poster:

1,575 posts

281 months

Monday 25th March 2002
quotequote all
Right, I drained the oil and then cranked the engine with the leads and fuel pump off, but the oil light still wouldn't go out. So I decided not to ire it up. I then re-drained the oil and checked it for metal particles. It looks fairly clear, theres just a tiny patch of particles.
I have just had the dizzy replaced, could that have become disconneted from the oil pump somehow? How could I check?
If I take the oil pump off, what signs do I look for?

shpub

8,507 posts

288 months

Wednesday 27th March 2002
quotequote all
Stuck pressure relief valve, worn vanes, lack of drive from distributor shaft to name just a few. Blocked oil filter non-return valve and so on...

Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk

APMAUTO

368 posts

282 months

Saturday 30th March 2002
quotequote all
if your engine is pre-serpentine and was ok the previous day most probably pressure relief valve stuck open. advise replace oil pump base plate assembly.agree with Greenv8s 5mins is enough to cause damage to engine, no oil pressure means metal to metal contact sorry to be so negative