conked out for the 1st time

conked out for the 1st time

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sawman

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5,019 posts

242 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I have had my TVR for nearly 4 years now, and today is the first time its conked out on me.

It just stalled on me as I was trundling from the office to the petrol station. been driving about 5 mins, 30 mph, slowed down for a roundabout and engine stuttered and stopped. it managed to roll off the roundabout so I wasnt causing too much of an obstruction. Just outside a Porsche centre as it happened
Tried to restart but no fuel pump. cycled the alarm / immobiliser off and on - still no fuel pump . I was debating what to do next - maybe asking the guys in the porsche shop if they could push me off the road at least - but having waited 30 secs and it started normally.

dodgy earth? or summat else?

Oldwolf

980 posts

205 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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One of the spade connectors on my fuel pump had corroded and caused similar.
It's covered so couldn't see the corrosion without taking the sleeve off.

Belle427

10,219 posts

245 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Fuel pump connections worth checking as above first.
Sounds immobiliser related but thats just guessing.

RayTVR

1,079 posts

155 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I had similar and it was a loose connection on the inertia switch.

sixor8

6,867 posts

280 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Fuel pump relay, or immobiliser (especially if still on its original) would be my guess.

sawman

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5,019 posts

242 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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my first thought was inertia switch, but was then surprised when it started up again.

I have since driven 70 miles with no issues, but have a list of things to check.

cheers guys

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,938 posts

247 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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I had this when the big fuse loosened itself. I only worked out what it was when it got so hot the plastic case started smoking hehe

sawman

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5,019 posts

242 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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going to investigate this all tomorrow, wondering its its worth chucking new fuel pump relays in, in any case.

dont s'pose any one has a part number? will i get them from a generic motor factor like GSF or ECP?

Loubaruch

1,302 posts

210 months

Friday 30th June 2023
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Whatever you do do not change random items in the hope that it is the problem, otherwise you can go around in circles chasing your tail.

Proceed logically, as said above the pump terminals are a known cause as they are subject to the elements.
The pump wiring passes through connectors by the passenger B door post again prone to corrosion as they can get damp.
It then arrives at the mess in the passenger footwell with the relays and ECU.

This may help:

http://www.bertram-hill.com/fuel-pump-schematic.ht...

Dont forget that apart from the initial pulse to prime the pump 12 volts will only be permanently present on the pump when the engine is running so you may need a helper ( or long test leads) to confirm volts are getting to the pump during the initial prime.



NicBowman

785 posts

250 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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Keep one in the glove box.

Nic

NicBowman

785 posts

250 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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It’s the blue one.

sawman

Original Poster:

5,019 posts

242 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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thanks for the link to the schematic -

its always a bit of an issue chasing an intermittent problem - I guess the relays are cheap enough to replace in any event.



Edited by sawman on Saturday 1st July 13:21

sixor8

6,867 posts

280 months

Saturday 1st July 2023
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The pump relay and the ECU relay are the same. Sometimes swapping them over can help in fault diagnosis and having a spare is always handy. smile

They are NOT like standard relays, which provide a current path when de-energised that will flatten the battery. frown

sawman

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5,019 posts

242 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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so, replaced the pump relay and ecu relay - the pump one was looking a bit cruddy. had a general prod around at connections - nothing lept out at me. the car has been fine for a month, but this morning it did almost the same thing again - died whilst slowing down for a roundabout.

no other issues, in fact the car is generally running well.






sixor8

6,867 posts

280 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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Erratic idle or rough running at low engine speeds can often be down to a dirty or faulty stepper motor.

Zeb74

415 posts

141 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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Try to hit (gently) the fuel pump when you have the issue, maybe it is dying.

sawman

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5,019 posts

242 months

Friday 28th July 2023
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Just read about the stepper- have cleaned it before, but not for a while, the idle is not particularly unstable though.

Edited by sawman on Saturday 29th July 09:11

PabloGee

543 posts

32 months

Saturday 29th July 2023
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I’ve got a similar intermittent problem - same symptoms, and sometimes after it’s been cruising at low speed and revs.
I haven’t played with the relays, have cleaned the stepper (though it was cleaned only a year/2.5k miles ago) and I know the fuel pump is new.
There are other possibilities to do with the speed signal coming back into the ECU not being consistently accurate and the system not giving a dash of fuel to keep it idling.
I’m aiming to get a Rovergauge wire to get a look at what’s going on and get some help from someone who has offered, but this is likely to be in September.
I will certainly report back on here for others to see.
I’m also hoping it’s not expensive!

There are numerous threads on here on this topic, well worth digging.

For the moment though, I very occasionally need to turn the ignition - and my car favours roundabouts for this!