Discussion
fast buck said:
If so why didn't yesterdays F1 cars use 100% slicks?
Ummm, because they're not allowed to.
fast buck said:
To be used on track would I benefit from 100% slicks rather than my Dunlop R's?
Depends on how good a driver you are - I suspect that with good slicks on the Atom, you'll have more grip than you'd really want. Plus you'll really put a lot more strain on everything else through the increased grip.
Dunlop R's or Avon ZZR's are both more than enough grip/fun on an Atom.
Cheers, Ross.
Not sure I agree with Ross on the slicks thing... I think the car is well overengineered for most conditions and would be a hoot on slicks.
Also of interest would be driving on proper wets in the wet.
Fact is that all 'trackday/road legal' tyres are compromises between what's legal and long-lasting and what offers the most grip. Unfettered, F1 teams and everyone else would run real slicks (as opposed to the 'grooved slicks' used in F1) in the dry, and rooster plume wets in the rain.
If I had a tyre-changing crew in the pits and a choice of tyres, I'd defintely run full slicks or full wets (or intermediates) as conditions dictated. That said, with worn rubber right now, I'll be grabbing another set of Dunlop Rs because I live in the real world...
Also of interest would be driving on proper wets in the wet.
Fact is that all 'trackday/road legal' tyres are compromises between what's legal and long-lasting and what offers the most grip. Unfettered, F1 teams and everyone else would run real slicks (as opposed to the 'grooved slicks' used in F1) in the dry, and rooster plume wets in the rain.
If I had a tyre-changing crew in the pits and a choice of tyres, I'd defintely run full slicks or full wets (or intermediates) as conditions dictated. That said, with worn rubber right now, I'll be grabbing another set of Dunlop Rs because I live in the real world...
Bruce Fielding said:
Not sure I agree with Ross on the slicks thing... I think the car is well overengineered for most conditions and would be a hoot on slicks.
Yeah, I may well be completely wrong as I've not driven on slicks myself so I'm not really qualified to say I guess.
But from my own experience, I personally don't reckon that lots of outright grip equals lots of fun. Increase in laptimes yep, but increase in fun? Not so sure on that.
Will be picking up the new car next Saturday.
We've kept the Demag wheels with the Yoko 48's on them for the dry, but the new wheels with the car will be proper wets from Avon (I think), not road legal but meant to be very good in wet weather.
We we're warned that in order to use slicks you would need the suspension set up quite a lot differently from the road tyres, you would then need to put it back again to go onto the road or the car would handle like a pig. There was also talk of the extra forces produced killing various bushes, bearings, rose joints etc, all can be uprated but that will once again cost.
I know that the rose joints we had on our last Atom 2 were formula 3 ones and cost 3 times the price of the current competition ones they use.
Ju
>> Edited by badge70 on Wednesday 13th July 12:21
We've kept the Demag wheels with the Yoko 48's on them for the dry, but the new wheels with the car will be proper wets from Avon (I think), not road legal but meant to be very good in wet weather.
We we're warned that in order to use slicks you would need the suspension set up quite a lot differently from the road tyres, you would then need to put it back again to go onto the road or the car would handle like a pig. There was also talk of the extra forces produced killing various bushes, bearings, rose joints etc, all can be uprated but that will once again cost.
I know that the rose joints we had on our last Atom 2 were formula 3 ones and cost 3 times the price of the current competition ones they use.
Ju
>> Edited by badge70 on Wednesday 13th July 12:21
ross.mcw said:My Yoko 539s were massive, massive fun - lots of sideways stuff! Personally I do prefer a grippier tyre on track as they give you the choice - to have fun driving sideways everywhere (me), or to have fun driving quickly and smoothly (Bruce).
But from my own experience, I personally don't reckon that lots of outright grip equals lots of fun. Increase in laptimes yep, but increase in fun? Not so sure on that.
Bruce Fielding said:It comes down to compound as much as anything - after all, the ZZRs really aren't all that far away from slicks as they are - the rears in particular. They're just too hard - 1500 miles of my driving, and they're still nearly new!!
Not sure I agree with Ross on the slicks thing... I think the car is well overengineered for most conditions and would be a hoot on slicks.
Bruce Fielding said:Of more interest would be full slicks in the wet ...oh yeah...
Also of interest would be driving on proper wets in the wet.
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