Thruxton Tuition v. track day instructors?

Thruxton Tuition v. track day instructors?

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John Lloyd

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926 posts

236 months

Tuesday 10th May 2005
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Has anyone been to Thruxton for tuition? It's very close to me, but it seems expensive. £199 for one hour in an Elise with you getting 2 x 7 laps. Is it better to book instructors on track days?

coxm

174 posts

240 months

Wednesday 11th May 2005
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That's VERY expensive. Plus not all the Thruston instructors are terribly good. One was 11 secs a lap slower than me at Pembrey in the same car . . .

That's more expensive than a one-on-one day with Robb, and I know which of those I would choose. To start with, I would get one of Bruce, Andy or I to come out with you on an Atom day, which is priced in fine claret rather than hard currency.

MC

datasafe

911 posts

236 months

Wednesday 11th May 2005
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You've gotta be having a laugh, John drinks all his claret!!

atom120

268 posts

236 months

Friday 13th May 2005
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John Lloyd said:
£199 for one hour in an Elise with you getting 2 x 7 laps.
That's unbelievable ...do you get to keep the car at the end of it? Even if you do, its still not worth it!

Meyrick said:
To start with, I would get one of Bruce, Andy or I to come out with you on an Atom day
John's seen me drive, so he might prefer you or Bruce!!

Meyrick said:
which is priced in fine claret rather than hard currency
I think people my age usually drink Lambrini!!

coxm

174 posts

240 months

Friday 13th May 2005
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Showing my age again . . . .

What's Lambrini?

MC

Bruce Fielding

2,244 posts

287 months

Friday 13th May 2005
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"Lambrini Cherry is a special edition to the Lambrini range. Containing real cherry juice, this blend with Lambrini original gives a real fruity alternative for the hot summer nights.

Lambrini girls can drink it pink this summer!"


Mmmm. I think you'll be amused by its presumption...

Bruce Fielding

2,244 posts

287 months

Friday 13th May 2005
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coxm said:
To start with, I would get one of Bruce, Andy or I to come out with you on an Atom day, which is priced in fine claret rather than hard currency.

I'd be pleased to pop along to a day with you, John. Maybe Goodwood on June 20th, if not before... Are you still doing that one?

Oh, and as a sop to JP - I'd even be happy with something fruity from his locality!

>> Edited by Bruce Fielding on Friday 13th May 18:28

John Lloyd

Original Poster:

926 posts

236 months

Friday 13th May 2005
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Bruce Fielding said:
I'd be pleased to pop along to a day with you, John. Maybe Goodwood on June 20th


Thanks Bruce but, funnily enough I have actually booked an instructor on this day. Are you going to Cadwell? If so I will bring my intercom and you can shout abuse at me for braking too earkly and p**s poor cornering.

Following on from the wine lake I have an awful lot of red left over from our 20th Wedding Annivesary, so anyone going to Goodwood is more than welconme to stay here and help me drink it!

atom120

268 posts

236 months

Saturday 14th May 2005
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John Lloyd said:
Are you going to Cadwell?
Bruce can't make Cadwell in June, but I'll be there ...and I'm bringing my own instructor with me! I'm sure he'll happily go out with you and give you some tips - and you can passenger him in my car too if you like. Best thing is, it won't cost you any red at all ...nor any high-class Lambrini...

John Lloyd

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926 posts

236 months

Saturday 14th May 2005
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atom120 said:
I'm bringing my own instructor with me! I'm sure he'll happily go out with you and give you some tips


If there's no wine involved I would be happy to buy you and the instructor a greasey burger when we are at Cadwell.

Thanks for the offer.

aegorov

10 posts

232 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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Having had a taster of what these cars are like (thanks again to John Lloyd), I was wondering what opinions are on the best way to build up the skills required for trackdays in an Atom, whilst I wait for the funds to accumulate for a car of my own... i.e. do I just book a few days tuition with an instructor in any similar 2 seater car (Elise, Caterham, etc), or should I concentrate on finding tuition specifically using an Atom.
If the latter, are there any companies/individuals that anyone can recommend that offer driving tuition specifically for the Atom and roughly what would the costs involved be?

Bruce Fielding

2,244 posts

287 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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You can learn most of the skills in pretty much any car. All you have to do is adjust them to the atom later.

Practice corner entry speed, gear and car balance

Practice throttle and corner control

Practice heel and toe

Practice screaming yeeeeeehaaaaah

Then when you get in an Atom, you'll be going quicker, braking harder and later, and accellerating faster, and nothing can prepare you for that, but with the skills under your belt, you'll soon get used to it.

Get some lessons in any car - they'll always stand you in good stead. Why not come with us on the Robb Gravett training - that will certainly help!

aegorov

10 posts

232 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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Bruce,

Thanks for the advice...when/where is the Rob Gravett course?

Andrew.

mullerr

47 posts

238 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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Bear in mind that Big Thunder at Bruntingthorpe offer Atom-specific tuition

atom120

268 posts

236 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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The President said:
Practice heel and toe
Just out interest, how many Atom-owners heel-and-toe? I've never really tried it, as its impossible in a kart, and my attempts in the Transit never went too well.

Always been too busy enjoying myself in the Atom to think about trying it - is it a big advantage? Bruce? Meyrick? Anyone?

Bruce Fielding

2,244 posts

287 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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Depends what you're used to. HaT allows you to maintain balance and revs whilst changing gear and reducing speed in a corner, but the difference is marginal - it's more pronounced (pronounced M O R E) in racing, but it's fun to do anyway. Like Max, I needed to adjust the throttle so that it was possible - earlier versions of the Tilton pedal box were a bit sloppy. Ideally you need to set the throttle so that it's level with (or slighly below) the brake pedal on first push. With my plates, it's more big toe/little toe than heel...

It's a bit like a golf grip - it feels really weird at first, but once you get used to it, you don't feel right holding a club any other way.

coxm

174 posts

240 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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HaT makes a big difference, mostly to how late you can change gear. You can in a kart too, assuming it has gears!

If you are braking up to a corner there are three main benefits:
- Reduces likelihood of rear tyre lock up on limit
- Easier and quicker to loop shift (i.e. 5th to 3rd), which speeds the whole process and allows you to focus on the lock up point more
- if you are a left foot braker (after turn in!), because you can dump the clutch, rather than ease it out, you can cover the brake more quickly, so get on the power harder and earlier

and three minor ones
- clutches cost more than brakes and are not a good way of slowing a car down
- reduces strain on engine, synchros and so on
- makes a nice whaang noise ...

If you are shifting in a corner (which you shouldn't be!!), its much easier to shift without unsettling the car. So, if you wrong-slotted to 5th instead of 3rd somehow, you can fix it if you HaT, whereas if you are loaded up and try a 5th to 3rd shift without a blip you will spin.

If its a sequential shift, you can ignore it: slam the brakes and bang the lever, forget the throttle. If you left foot brake and do clutchless shifts on a H-box, its not possible without HaT unless you have even less mechanical sympathy than most racers!

MC

Bruce Fielding

2,244 posts

287 months

Monday 16th May 2005
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Apologies - I should have said "...into a corner..." obviously, not in a corner - that would be silly!

atom120

268 posts

236 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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Looks like I need to learn HaT!!

AlShack

32 posts

246 months

Tuesday 17th May 2005
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coxm said:

If you left foot brake and do clutchless shifts on a H-box, its not possible without HaT


Quick question for coxm ...

How do you HaT with left foot braking & clutchless changes? I'd have thought your left foot would be on the brake, and your right foot blipping the throttle as you 'force' the gears in

Always willing to learn

As has been said, it's something that once you do once, you tend to always do it, as it is a nice feeling & sounds great!

Cheers
Alan