gearbox OIL and quantity.

gearbox OIL and quantity.

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nismobrown

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572 posts

257 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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GTSDave

6,364 posts

214 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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All the info you'll need on this kind of thing is here:

Viper Service Info

Transmission Oil

Who said vipers don’t have auto boxes because no one thought to tell the transmission and it rather likes to drink ATF. Gen1 and Gen2 cars were factory filled with DEXRON III ATF fluid. Later Gen 2 were switched to Castrol Syntorque which is a fully synthetic gear lube rather than the ATF but is also made out of gold at approx £20 a litre. It is a recommended replacement fluid to reduce Neutral Gear Rattle (NGR)In earlier cars. There should be a label stuck to the side of the transmission near the fill hole advising the use if DEXRONIII or on earlier cars DEXRON II. the later transmissions had different Syncros so the oil was changed to Castrol Syntorc..

Fluid change procedure.

  1. Jack the vehicle up and support on stands.
  2. Remove the Transmission cover plate which is the plate bolted to the transmission tunnel with 20 bolts, so when you are done with those you will know your lefty Lucy from Righty Tighty.
  1. Remove the fill plug. 3/8 rachet..
  2. Remove Drain plug. Don’t forget your bowl to collect the oil.
  3. Let it all drain out, so time for a cuppa.
  4. Refit drain plug and torque to TBA FtLB
  5. Fill Transmission with your selected fluid. This is where the fun starts. One of the easier ways seems to be to use 1L bottles and a small length of tube so that you can get the tube in the fill hole and the bottle up as high as possible and squeeze it in. If you are using the synthetic lube don’t even consider a long length of tube and standing beside the vehicle as the stuff is so thick you will be there into next week. The transmission is full when the fluid is at the bottom of the fill hole. So fill it until a little runs back out.
  6. Refit Fill plug and torque to TBA FtLB
  7. Refit the transmission cover plate.
  8. Lower car and your done.

GTSDave

6,364 posts

214 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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The Dextron III is the stock used fluid, the Syntorque is a recommended replacement... I guess it comes down to which one you choose, at the end of the day it's your call... Either will do the job.

ViperDave

5,571 posts

259 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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except dexron III does not exist as a standard any more, you can get stuff that looks like Dexron III but there are no controls on if it meets the expired standard any more. I have seen comment that suggests ATF+4 is backwards compatible and the recommended fluid for 97 T56 boxes. Its about £9 a bottle at your local Chrysler. the Syn torque was used in the later boxes and recommended for boxes where the user complained about NGR. Last time i checked this stuff was about £20 a bottle so probably about £30 now.

Interestingly enough the DEXRON IV bottle we brought in the US for the vette says not to use in Manual boxes, (the UK bottle did not say this) and it looks as if there is a significant change in the spec for DEXRON IV from III, the ATF+4 does not replicate this change.

If it was me i would save my pennies and use ATF+4 but then i work in IT and know nothing about oil other than what i read on the Internet which of course is 100% accurate.

Fartgalen

6,675 posts

213 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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None of that actually tells you how much you need though (unless I missed it).

My service manual says 3.8 litres (4 qts).

GTSDave

6,364 posts

214 months

Thursday 7th April 2011
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Above said:
The transmission is full when the fluid is at the bottom of the fill hole. So fill it until a little runs back out.
wink

Fartgalen

6,675 posts

213 months

Friday 8th April 2011
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GTSDave said:
Above said:
The transmission is full when the fluid is at the bottom of the fill hole. So fill it until a little runs back out.
wink
Still doesn't say how much is needed to get to the fill hole wink

neilsfishing

3,502 posts

204 months

Friday 8th April 2011
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4 x 1lt with a bit over hehe

rayv10

31 posts

172 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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hi
the recommended oil is 75 w85 just under 4 litres

Dr-Bob

6,629 posts

266 months

Tuesday 12th April 2011
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rayv10 said:
hi
the recommended oil is 75 w85 just under 4 litres
Thats for the later transmissions.... after 98 i believe???

N GTS

735 posts

259 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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I would always use fully synthetic if you are going to do any track time, as dextron breaks down with heat, the gear box doesn't get much chance to cool being quite inclosed. The Gen2 T56 is a weak link! It doesn't hurt to over fill them upto 0.5L (for the track, helps stop the front main running dry under acceleration) but you will have to fill from the top to do so (ie remove shifter or mod a line onto the vent). I put a catch tank on the vent and it never blew anything, even with 0.5L over the factory fill of 3.8L.

rayv10

31 posts

172 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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yes 75 w 85 is for the later one but if you want any from a main dealer its on back order

Dr-Bob

6,629 posts

266 months

Wednesday 13th April 2011
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rayv10 said:
yes 75 w 85 is for the later one but if you want any from a main dealer its on back order
Sounds about right......