V10 VIPER ENGINE QUESTION

V10 VIPER ENGINE QUESTION

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VIPERLESS

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2,984 posts

289 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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This could be a question that Baz might help with, but I see recently on the main pistonhead forum questions being asked about the 10% Bio Fuel Mix coming into force in 2020 (E10 which I think is 10% Bio is now being sold in France at most stations, so a full tank of fuel in Blighty required before driving onto the ferry for Le Mans) , does anyone know on this forum if the Viper engines can run on a 10% mix without major engine issues/damage and would this bio mix that harms all plastics and rubbers and lead to fuel tank failures in the near future? The reason I ask is I was hoping to get another Supercar (Viper or Lotus) in the near future as building work is almost finished , BUT...If Viper V10's and other fuel linked parts are going to fail then I'll be forced to look at other cars instead. What's the "DOCTORS" thoughts on this future fuel problem?
(BTW...Hello everyone, I am around most days but being a non owner these days feel a little unworthy to contribute)

ringram

14,700 posts

254 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Most/All US fuel has Ethanol in it anyway.
So I doubt there is a problem.

ringram

14,700 posts

254 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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From wikip

E10, a fuel mixture of 10% anhydrous ethanol and 90% gasoline sometimes called gasohol, can be used in the internal combustion engines of most modern automobiles and light-duty vehicles without need for any modification on the engine or fuel system. E10 blends are typically rated as 2 to 3 octane higher than regular gasoline and are approved for use in all new U.S. automobiles, and are mandated in some areas for emissions and other reasons

VIPERLESS

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2,984 posts

289 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Thanks for that update, an old early 90's RT-10 is something I have my eye on, but the info posted talks of NEW CARS, would the old 80's Vipers still be ok I wonder?

Edited by VIPERLESS on Thursday 18th April 15:08

VIPERLESS

Original Poster:

2,984 posts

289 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Just wondered if Viper V10's have direct injection as I've read engines with this set up can't run on E10?

neilsfishing

3,502 posts

204 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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The biggest problem is water retention by the ethanol which will corrode all in its path if vented i.e. carburettor, also if let to sit on an old fuel systems to it will eat the rubber hoses, it is a major problem with boats that’s why most marinas sell non ethanol fuel,

ringram

14,700 posts

254 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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There is no DI in any viper

Dr-Bob

6,629 posts

266 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Don't most cars and light commercials have plastic tanks now .. I know my transit does and frontera's did Yeats ago .... Can't see an issue ...

ViperDave

5,571 posts

259 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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Doubt there will be any problem with 10% ethanol, like has been said its pretty hard to get anything else in some US states now.

E85 on the other hand is a no no in the viper according to the handbook

Gixer

4,463 posts

254 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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With regard to my 90 ZR1. 90-91 Multec injectors were not compatable with ethanol. This lead to bad seals, corrosion and ultimately shorted and leaking injectors. Most ZR1's of these years had new injectors fitted long ago in the US. It's only really become a problem here in Europe in the last couple of years.

92 cars on had compatable injectors.

GM had identified a problem and acted on it for 92 model year, you would assume the other leading US manufacturers would have done the same sometime in the early 90's.

Ethanol is nasty stuff though with regard to attracting moisture

VIPERLESS

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2,984 posts

289 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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Thanks for all the info guys, it's put my mind a rest...........now what to buy!hehe

MADMAX-UK

1,258 posts

205 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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VIPERLESS said:
Thanks for all the info guys, it's put my mind a rest...........now what to buy!hehe
Just get on with it and do what you know is the right thing, then change your name to "VIPERLESS NO MORE" thumbup

Leatherman

1,030 posts

232 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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VIPERLESS said:
Thanks for all the info guys, it's put my mind a rest...........now what to buy!hehe
Hmmmmm !

Joelism

640 posts

263 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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VIPERLESS said:

(BTW...Hello everyone, I am around most days but being a non owner these days feel a little unworthy to contribute)
Always worthy biggrin

VIPERLESS

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2,984 posts

289 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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Joelism said:
Always worthy biggrin
Thanks for that Spud!.....bow ..........we gotta get together at Neil some time, Bellingham Place still isn't quite ready to receive guest yet! and my all important boys room is still unfinished , to rooms finished by I have tons of boxes , book , collectables scattered around, it will also double as a guess room when finished, but any PetrolHead may have trouble sleeping if you get my drift hehe Seeing as this is without doubt the most important room in the house I'll try to post a picture so you can visualise the scene.

Viper

10,005 posts

279 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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that room sounds like an ideal place to gain inspiration for writing a club newsletter

smile

VIPERLESS

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2,984 posts

289 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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getmecoat

VIPERLESS

Original Poster:

2,984 posts

289 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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The wife's told me to stop!..........whatever!

As anyone can clearly see, there's...LOADS of room left for the odd collectable hehe

Edited by VIPERLESS on Friday 19th April 20:30

fatboy18

19,107 posts

217 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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Just looks like a pile of junk! ........I could throw it all in the back of my van if you like whistle

neilsfishing

3,502 posts

204 months

Friday 19th April 2013
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VIPERLESS said:
The wife's told me to stop!..........whatever!

As anyone can clearly see, there's...LOADS of room left for the odd collectable hehe

Edited by VIPERLESS on Friday 19th April 20:30
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