RE: Prodrive on the Viper

RE: Prodrive on the Viper

Thursday 22nd July 2004

Prodrive on the Viper

Helping DaimlerChrysler sort out the European model


Automotive engineering specialist Prodrive has worked with DaimlerChrysler Corporation to develop a fully type-approved version of the 500hp Dodge Viper SRT-10 for European customers.

Prodrive managed the programme of 45 separate tests required to obtain approval in all European markets and worked with DaimlerChrysler to re-engineer over 50 parts of the Viper in order to meet the most stringent European requirements.

Most significantly, the side exit exhaust system on the US-spec Viper did not pass European drive-by noise regulations, so there had to be significant modifications to the exhaust system, without compromising the performance or driveability of the car.

Prodrive has also worked with DaimlerChrysler to coordinate the supply chain for the European vehicle. Wherever possible, changes have been introduced with the Viper’s existing suppliers, with parts installed on the Viper line at the Conner Avenue assembly plant in Detroit. Changes that require a substantially different build-sequence, as is the case with the new exhaust system, are to be carried out in Europe, at a Prodrive-managed facility specially set up at Zeebrugge, where the cars arrive from the US.

“It didn’t make sense for DaimlerChrysler to redesign the Viper production line for the relatively small number of European cars, so they will build and test the cars before shipping them to our facility for the final changes,” explains Andy Tempest, managing director of Automotive Technology at Prodrive. “We have accumulated a lot of experience in this area thanks to projects with companies such as Subaru and Ford, so we were ideally positioned to help DaimlerChrysler through the process with the Viper.”

The first of the several hundred Viper SRT-10s that Dodge will be selling each year through its European dealer network will arrive at the Prodrive Zeebrugge facility in September, and the car will be available for purchase by the end of the year.

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bennno

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12,749 posts

276 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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£50k and I will be first in the que...

Bennno

Viper

10,005 posts

280 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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interesting stuff about time they realeased some info, add another £30K to your 50 and you wont be far off, have you seen one yet ? your money may just stay in your pocket

>> Edited by Viper on Thursday 22 July 10:28

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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There are plenty on mobile.de at around the 100,000 euro mark

Viper

10,005 posts

280 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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there's a few over here to all private imports, none are official European Chrylser cars

z064life

1,926 posts

255 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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Not a Coupe like the CC, then?

So this is the same Prodrive which works on Imprezas I assume?

Viper

10,005 posts

280 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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not a coupe, but there is a rumor a SRT coupe is about to be released in september at VOI

there is only one prodrive, subaru, GT 550 ferrari's etc. They have a nice little private test track at the back of solihull, went on it once in a company car

>> Edited by Viper on Thursday 22 July 11:55

shoebag

1,137 posts

259 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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Prodrive borrowed my ACR last year for a few days to examine. In return they gave me a track day.
I guess it had something to do with this.

burwoodman

18,718 posts

253 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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£80K?...at that price they can keep it. 60hp per litre? what a pig

Viper

10,005 posts

280 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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since they were £68K back in 1997, I'd say an extra 10
aint that bad in 2005

adamwilcox

29 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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burwoodman said:
£80K?...at that price they can keep it. 60hp per litre? what a pig


I had one in Japan as a 'Team Car' with an uprated engine to 640hp and it RULED THE ROAD, AND QUITE FRANKLEY THE WORLD !

See http://groups.msn.com/adamwilcoxphotosite/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=203

For a pic.

AW

burwoodman

18,718 posts

253 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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sure, 640hp is sweet. Im talking the standard animal. Doesn't do anything for me. Id rather plumb a bit more and have a Ford GT

adamwilcox

29 posts

249 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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burwoodman said:
sure, 640hp is sweet. Im talking the standard animal. Doesn't do anything for me. Id rather plumb a bit more and have a Ford GT


Yeah but you can't use the power unless you have a Million dollar fuel budget anyway !!!

burwoodman

18,718 posts

253 months

Thursday 22nd July 2004
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used to get a pathetic 10mpg in city driving from a Chim 450...can't see anything being much worse than that. The real killer with anything out of the ordinary is the service charges

smele

1,284 posts

291 months

Friday 23rd July 2004
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Will it be RHD?

viper paul

2,485 posts

281 months

Friday 23rd July 2004
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Don't you just love people who arrive on our forum and then slag off our cars!!!!!!!!!

May only be a Viper but you park one in a car park and see how much interest you get.

Plus more road presents than most cars ever built.

Just my 10 cents.

burwoodman

18,718 posts

253 months

Friday 23rd July 2004
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Paul, I wasn't slagging off Vipers. I like then. All I'm saying is at 500hp for an 8L is hardly leading edge technology and in my book doesn't justify an £80K price tag. Maybe calling it a pig was a bit harsh. I'll take that back. I must have been in abad mood when i thrashed out the response.

Hey, a couple of weeks ago someone refered to my car as a slug.....much lower form of life than the intelligent swine ;o)

viper paul

2,485 posts

281 months

Friday 23rd July 2004
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No problem man,we are all petrol heads, not sure I like the new shape and yes at 80K its AMG money for sure.

Cancelled the order for mine but after last week at Hockenheim and seeing how good the handling was on the track and the brakes which are superb....it may have won me over at just undet 70k perhaps.....but at 80 plus no.

Do hope Chysler UK read this forum occasionally.

People used to call Skoda's slugs but I remember them winning there class on the RAC ralley ever year in the 70's.

z064life

1,926 posts

255 months

Friday 23rd July 2004
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Who cares about hp/l? The viper might have the worst engine in that sense, but it also produces as much tq as it produces hp and that's what matters. Not many other cars do that, and the engine is much less stressed. The only other cars that can produce as much tq as hp (and I mean lots of both, not 200/200) would be an European exotic and that will cost a lot more. Someone who buys a car like a Viper or anything comparable will likely get poor mpg on how it's driven, but someone who can afford such a car can likely afford the running costs (even so, a lamborghini is no better).

Did I say vipers are reliable?

>> Edited by z064life on Friday 23 July 14:32

Guibo

274 posts

272 months

Sunday 25th July 2004
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Indeed, both Autocar and Evo have noted the Viper's reliability.
In terms of servicing, it costs £150 every 7500 miles, with the major one at 30,000 miles costing £350 (according to the Evo buyer's guide). It may be only 60 hp/l, but such a low level of specific output is good enough to see this 3400-lb car off to 60 in ~4.0 seconds, 100 in less than 9, and 150 in around 22.5. All the while with gearing that allows 190 mph in 5th gear, still some 650 rpm short of redline. And a 6th gear that allows 60 mph cruising @ 1150 rpm (and anywhere from 12-16 mpg in mixed driving). This in a car that has (in its home market anyway) a 7-year/70K-mile warranty on the drivetrain.
To say that the Viper's 60 hp/l output is poor indicates there is another 8-liter V10 to compare it to. Which one is that? (Remember, as displacement goes up, it's generally more difficult to maintain specific output, all else being equal.)