Legality of selling a frame with V5

[Stevie_P]

Hopefully the BB crowd can help with this one.

My brother has recently broken up a 1998 Fireblade to use the engine in a kit car project. (I know - sacrilege to some people).
He's selling / sold most of the bits but is unsure of the legality of selling the frame with the V5.
I have seen breakers doing this but I guess it could be open to plenty of abuse (Cloning / Ringing etc).
Is it legal?
Is it ethical?
The frame itself is slightly damaged though most of this is polished out.
It does mean however, that I doubt people would use it for a resto project etc.
Any thoughts?

[srob]

I've just sold a Norton Featherbed frame with a V5.

Can't see any problems at all unless it's written off of course!

[TallPaul]

Yes, it is perfectly legal to sell a frame with a V5. The question you need to ask yourself is what use would that frame and V5 be to somebody.
Ringing will be the answer in 95% of the cases.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Theres no problem selling a bike without an engine.

[Stevie_P]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Theres no problem selling a bike without an engine.

Yes but it's just the frame as he's sold most of the other parts as well.

[Biker's Nemesis]

Stevie_P said:

Yes but it's just the frame as he's sold most of the other parts as well.

Still no problem, its his to do as he pleases.

[3doorPete]

TallPaul said:

Yes, it is perfectly legal to sell a frame with a V5. The question you need to ask yourself is what use would that frame and V5 be to somebody.
Ringing will be the answer in 95% of the cases.

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

[catso]

Stevie_P said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

Theres no problem selling a bike without an engine.

Yes but it's just the frame as he's sold most of the other parts as well.

Nothing wrong at all with it, I recently bought a frame with V5 as the basis for my current Monster project. Would have been cheaper to have bought a complete bike but that's another story...

[Stevie_P]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Still no problem, its his to do as he pleases.

Thanks all. I'll let his conscience decide.

[TallPaul]

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Thats a very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
Although dont both vehicles need to be MOT'd & taxed?

[catso]

TallPaul said:

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Thats a very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
Although dont both vehicles need to be MOT'd & taxed?

Not if it's on SORN.

[Hooli]

catso said:

TallPaul said:

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Thats a very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
Although dont both vehicles need to be MOT'd & taxed?

Not if it's on SORN.

I believe it'd need to still have tax n MOT for the plate to be transferred to it.

[bass gt3]

Biker's Nemesis said:

Theres no problem selling a bike without an engine.

Thats called a 600 isn't it??

[catso]

Hooli said:

catso said:

TallPaul said:

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Thats a very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
Although dont both vehicles need to be MOT'd & taxed?

Not if it's on SORN.

I believe it'd need to still have tax n MOT for the plate to be transferred to it.

Maybe but once transferred surely it is the same as any other vehicle? so free long-term storage.

[catso]

bass gt3 said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

Theres no problem selling a bike without an engine.

Thats called a 600 isn't it??

[Hooli]

catso said:

Hooli said:

catso said:

TallPaul said:

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Thats a very good point, I hadn't thought of that!
Although dont both vehicles need to be MOT'd & taxed?

Not if it's on SORN.

I believe it'd need to still have tax n MOT for the plate to be transferred to it.

Maybe but once transferred surely it is the same as any other vehicle? so free long-term storage.

True. So if the frame has MOT sell it quick while it's worth more.

[VeeFour]

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Not really, no.

To get the plate back off the frame, you need tax and MOT on it. Last time I checked, you couldn't MOT a bare frame.

The other problem is that, once the plate is on a bike, you can't put it on a car - so you have to be really sure that you're only ever going to want to use it on a bike.

[bimsb6]

VeeFour said:

Not really, no.

To get the plate back off the frame, you need tax and MOT on it. Last time I checked, you couldn't MOT a bare frame.

The other problem is that, once the plate is on a bike, you can't put it on a car - so you have to be really sure that you're only ever going to want to use it on a bike.

not true ,you can transfer bike to car but not car to bike .

[joreco]

When did that rule of car to motorcycle come in? I have swapped a plate between car and bike and back again with no problem, albeit on both times bike and car were currently taxed.

[3doorPete]

VeeFour said:

3doorPete said:

It's a cheap way of long term storing a private plate without incurring annual retention fees too.

Not really, no.

To get the plate back off the frame, you need tax and MOT on it. Last time I checked, you couldn't MOT a bare frame.

The other problem is that, once the plate is on a bike, you can't put it on a car - so you have to be really sure that you're only ever going to want to use it on a bike.

Fair enough - just checked with DVLA - another con if you ask me. I'm sure it didn't used to be that way as I know of some wrecked classics that had their plates taken in 90's by my God dad's business.
Don't see why it needs to be taxed, insured and MoT'ed to transfer. They also say the vehicle must be available for inspection.

Government gravy train.