Poll: zx7r VS zx9R
Total Members Polled: 79
Discussion
Fleegle said:
The 7 without any doubt.
It may be heavy on the wrists and slower than the 9, but comparing the two is like comparing Kylie and Bella Emberg.
woooah there.It may be heavy on the wrists and slower than the 9, but comparing the two is like comparing Kylie and Bella Emberg.
the first time you hit some twisties, the zx7r will dissapear up the road and by the time your at the next straight youll be wondering which way the 7r went.
CastrolCraig. said:
Fleegle said:
The 7 without any doubt.
It may be heavy on the wrists and slower than the 9, but comparing the two is like comparing Kylie and Bella Emberg.
woooah there.It may be heavy on the wrists and slower than the 9, but comparing the two is like comparing Kylie and Bella Emberg.
the first time you hit some twisties, the zx7r will dissapear up the road and by the time your at the next straight youll be wondering which way the 7r went.
I agree with you. The 7 is slower flat out, but totally agree with the twisties. My comparison related to Bella's fat arse (zx9)
7R without a doubt, but they do benefit from a bit of work to liberate power and reduce weight, which they respond to very well, with little money spent.
Here's mine - 99 vintage P4 in the best colour scheme they did. 118 rwbhp and 20 kg lighter than stock.
Only downside is the riding position is a bit of a killer in town or on journeys over 100 miles I find. Wrists, neck and knees take the brunt.
Here's mine - 99 vintage P4 in the best colour scheme they did. 118 rwbhp and 20 kg lighter than stock.
Only downside is the riding position is a bit of a killer in town or on journeys over 100 miles I find. Wrists, neck and knees take the brunt.
CastrolCraig. said:
blade7 said:
The 7 with a 9 engine.
only problem with that being the need to then uprate the suspension massively due to the extra weight of the 9, as when you simply just drop the lump in it completely screws the handling.blade7 said:
The 7 with a 9 engine.
Best of both worlds - One of the bike mags ran an article on that conversion back in the day, I remember reading with great interest having ridden both; I had a 9 and my mate had the 7.The 7 handled better but the 9 was very fast and had a very addictive intake roar
depends what sort of ride you like.blade7 said:
CastrolCraig. said:
blade7 said:
The 7 with a 9 engine.
only problem with that being the need to then uprate the suspension massively due to the extra weight of the 9, as when you simply just drop the lump in it completely screws the handling.In WSB - 7R's were producing 155-165bhp and weighing 165kg in the 90's. They are knocked for being heavy, but are dead easy to lop large amounts of weight from and pretty easy to get 125rwhp out of without spending much money.
The 9R conversion offers a lot more torque, but 7R's aren't short of that anyway.
catso said:
blade7 said:
The 7 with a 9 engine.
Best of both worlds - One of the bike mags ran an article on that conversion back in the day, I remember reading with great interest having ridden both; I had a 9 and my mate had the 7.quote]
Yes that's where I got the idea from, there were also some YZF750's with 1000cc exup conversions.
blade7 said:
catso said:
blade7 said:
The 7 with a 9 engine.
Best of both worlds - One of the bike mags ran an article on that conversion back in the day, I remember reading with great interest having ridden both; I had a 9 and my mate had the 7.quote]
Yes that's where I got the idea from, there were also some YZF750's with 1000cc exup conversions.
they did quite a few engine conversion and big bore group tests back in the day.
Popular 750 conversions one were
GSXR7-11's
YZF1000's
ZX7-9R's
They used to get pretty good results with big bores too, as there was a lot of meat to bore out on most of these engines.
I remember a group test of all the 750's given TTS big bores and then pitched against the blade. IIRC most actually beat the blade (this was probably around 1995 ish)
Prices - I reckon a good, reliable but cosmetically tatty one can be had for £1500, but a really tasty minter that hasn't been dropped is £2K - £2.5K depending on miles. These engines can also do mega miles without problems, just the carb slides that tend to wear, making them run rough.
Popular 750 conversions one were
GSXR7-11's
YZF1000's
ZX7-9R's
They used to get pretty good results with big bores too, as there was a lot of meat to bore out on most of these engines.
I remember a group test of all the 750's given TTS big bores and then pitched against the blade. IIRC most actually beat the blade (this was probably around 1995 ish)
Prices - I reckon a good, reliable but cosmetically tatty one can be had for £1500, but a really tasty minter that hasn't been dropped is £2K - £2.5K depending on miles. These engines can also do mega miles without problems, just the carb slides that tend to wear, making them run rough.
The ZX7 looks the sportier model but on the road any "disappearing into the distance" of either bike will be down to the difference in the rider, not the bikes...especially on 11 year old suspension
If the r1 hadnt of came out in the same year, the 9R may well have been the bike of the moment that year.
The ZX9 handles very well as a road bike and the engine is far,far superior to a ZX7,(mine made 136RWHP)it may surprise you that the ZX7 is noticeably heavier than the 9...
If you want a road bike, the 9 is the one to have, if you want a POTENTIAL road/track day bike of the era and it has to have green paint, go for the 7R, if you want something "purer" and even more exciting of that era id go for GSXR750..
In reality, buying a 11 year old sportsbike is a bit of a lottery,good ones are not usually on sale that often and not within 5 minutes drive,so id take the nicest, cleanest example of any of those bikes and be happy with it.
If the r1 hadnt of came out in the same year, the 9R may well have been the bike of the moment that year.
The ZX9 handles very well as a road bike and the engine is far,far superior to a ZX7,(mine made 136RWHP)it may surprise you that the ZX7 is noticeably heavier than the 9...
If you want a road bike, the 9 is the one to have, if you want a POTENTIAL road/track day bike of the era and it has to have green paint, go for the 7R, if you want something "purer" and even more exciting of that era id go for GSXR750..
In reality, buying a 11 year old sportsbike is a bit of a lottery,good ones are not usually on sale that often and not within 5 minutes drive,so id take the nicest, cleanest example of any of those bikes and be happy with it.
podman said:
The ZX7 looks the sportier model but on the road any "disappearing into the distance" of either bike will be down to the difference in the rider, not the bikes...especially on 11 year old suspension
If the r1 hadnt of came out in the same year, the 9R may well have been the bike of the moment that year.
The ZX9 handles very well as a road bike and the engine is far,far superior to a ZX7,(mine made 136RWHP)it may surprise you that the ZX7 is noticeably heavier than the 9...
If you want a road bike, the 9 is the one to have, if you want a POTENTIAL road/track day bike of the era and it has to have green paint, go for the 7R, if you want something "purer" and even more exciting of that era id go for GSXR750..
In reality, buying a 11 year old sportsbike is a bit of a lottery,good ones are not usually on sale that often and not within 5 minutes drive,so id take the nicest, cleanest example of any of those bikes and be happy with it.
Good points very well made - the 7R purchase is more of a buy with your heart thing. It has the racing pedigree, the tuneability, the looks. The ZX9R of 98 is very much the anonymous option, but on the road and stock is lighter and more powerful than the 7R. It's not helped by the blandish colours on the 9R that year. Superb bike though. Long term, I can see the residuals of 7R's firming and improving as 916's and RC45's all get more expensive and people look for other classics from the era that are more affordable.If the r1 hadnt of came out in the same year, the 9R may well have been the bike of the moment that year.
The ZX9 handles very well as a road bike and the engine is far,far superior to a ZX7,(mine made 136RWHP)it may surprise you that the ZX7 is noticeably heavier than the 9...
If you want a road bike, the 9 is the one to have, if you want a POTENTIAL road/track day bike of the era and it has to have green paint, go for the 7R, if you want something "purer" and even more exciting of that era id go for GSXR750..
In reality, buying a 11 year old sportsbike is a bit of a lottery,good ones are not usually on sale that often and not within 5 minutes drive,so id take the nicest, cleanest example of any of those bikes and be happy with it.
The 9R on the other hand, will depreciate to nothing and disappear into biking history like the RF900 and FJ1200's etc. It's a shame, but much like the awesome 98 ZX6R, the Yamaha R-series stole all the limelight that year and with no racing heritage, the 9R is easily forgotten.
The ZX9R wins hands down in everything bar looks..The ZX7R really is still one of the best looking bikes around, even today.
Basically the ZX9 is lighter, faster, more comfier, has a much longer tank range and can be ridden all day without much discomfort. A genuine good alround bike.
In contrast the ZX7 is rather uncomfortable, especially in town, and has a poor range of around 110-120 miles, (compared to over 170miles for the 9R.)
The Zx7 is heavier 205kg compared to 183kg and although it does have nice front end feel, overall it's handling is probably no better than the 9...even with the back jacked up..it's still heavy and a little ponderous. It's quick enough if you lower the gearing and put a pipe and get kit on but still quite a bit slower than the 9.
I've had 2 x ZX7R's in the past and am currently on my 3rd ZX9R ..( previousely had B1..C1..now on the E1) and I wouldn't go back to the 7 unless it was as a second bike,(probably for the looks alone.....)
Basically the ZX9 is lighter, faster, more comfier, has a much longer tank range and can be ridden all day without much discomfort. A genuine good alround bike.
In contrast the ZX7 is rather uncomfortable, especially in town, and has a poor range of around 110-120 miles, (compared to over 170miles for the 9R.)
The Zx7 is heavier 205kg compared to 183kg and although it does have nice front end feel, overall it's handling is probably no better than the 9...even with the back jacked up..it's still heavy and a little ponderous. It's quick enough if you lower the gearing and put a pipe and get kit on but still quite a bit slower than the 9.
I've had 2 x ZX7R's in the past and am currently on my 3rd ZX9R ..( previousely had B1..C1..now on the E1) and I wouldn't go back to the 7 unless it was as a second bike,(probably for the looks alone.....)
Mick66 said:
The ZX9R wins hands down in everything bar looks..The ZX7R really is still one of the best looking bikes around, even today.
Basically the ZX9 is lighter, faster, more comfier, has a much longer tank range and can be ridden all day without much discomfort. A genuine good alround bike.
In contrast the ZX7 is rather uncomfortable, especially in town, and has a poor range of around 110-120 miles, (compared to over 170miles for the 9R.)
The Zx7 is heavier 205kg compared to 183kg and although it does have nice front end feel, overall it's handling is probably no better than the 9...even with the back jacked up..it's still heavy and a little ponderous. It's quick enough if you lower the gearing and put a pipe and get kit on but still quite a bit slower than the 9.
I've had 2 x ZX7R's in the past and am currently on my 3rd ZX9R ..( previousely had B1..C1..now on the E1) and I wouldn't go back to the 7 unless it was as a second bike,(probably for the looks alone.....)
good first post, just a few discrepancies.Basically the ZX9 is lighter, faster, more comfier, has a much longer tank range and can be ridden all day without much discomfort. A genuine good alround bike.
In contrast the ZX7 is rather uncomfortable, especially in town, and has a poor range of around 110-120 miles, (compared to over 170miles for the 9R.)
The Zx7 is heavier 205kg compared to 183kg and although it does have nice front end feel, overall it's handling is probably no better than the 9...even with the back jacked up..it's still heavy and a little ponderous. It's quick enough if you lower the gearing and put a pipe and get kit on but still quite a bit slower than the 9.
I've had 2 x ZX7R's in the past and am currently on my 3rd ZX9R ..( previousely had B1..C1..now on the E1) and I wouldn't go back to the 7 unless it was as a second bike,(probably for the looks alone.....)
zx9r is actually 2kg heavier fully fuelled, the 7 handles far better in stock trim and i never ever ever found it uncumfortable in town, but no 2 riders are the same.
even now, after the problems i had with mine, id still, and probably will, have another one, except for this time id concentrate on the weight loss as much as the 800cc lump mine had.
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