New KTM 1390GT !
Discussion
Just received this from Jim Aim in Braintree.
https://www.ktm.com/en-gb/models/sports-tourer/202...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY3cJ5_-VEM
Very nice
I can see my wallet being in shock next year. 145nm and 188 bhp. In a spacious, touring bike. If you watch the video there has been a lot of development on this bike, it's really a new bike as far as electronics are concerned but still based on probably KTM's most reliable and interesting engine.
Even looks better than the older bikes despite the odd headlight. And supermoto + mode ABS !!
https://www.ktm.com/en-gb/models/sports-tourer/202...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY3cJ5_-VEM
Very nice
I can see my wallet being in shock next year. 145nm and 188 bhp. In a spacious, touring bike. If you watch the video there has been a lot of development on this bike, it's really a new bike as far as electronics are concerned but still based on probably KTM's most reliable and interesting engine.Even looks better than the older bikes despite the odd headlight. And supermoto + mode ABS !!
All very impressive. I do struggle to see the point of a bike which is too tall, heavy and expensive to buy for track use, and has so much power you can't use it all at any legal road speed without looping out a power wheelie.
Then again if we bought bikes using rational logic we'd all be riding Honda PCX125s so what do I know.
Then again if we bought bikes using rational logic we'd all be riding Honda PCX125s so what do I know.
Yeah I have been watching and reading this morning. I still think my 2020 1290GT looks good, but I also like the new one!
The only gripe appears to be the tank size dropping to 19.5L but I think I can live with that.
Track Mode has been hilarious this year on the OGs, having more control over settings would be great as I've gotten more confident using it properly.
There are a few things I want to make sure I can leave off though, such as that adaptive braking or whatever it was called in the thirty minute video, that can work independently of the cruise control.
I also look forward to a more usable 6th gear
. Which I'm sure later versions of the 1290GT already have.
The only gripe appears to be the tank size dropping to 19.5L but I think I can live with that.
Track Mode has been hilarious this year on the OGs, having more control over settings would be great as I've gotten more confident using it properly.
There are a few things I want to make sure I can leave off though, such as that adaptive braking or whatever it was called in the thirty minute video, that can work independently of the cruise control.
I also look forward to a more usable 6th gear
. Which I'm sure later versions of the 1290GT already have. poo at Paul's said:
18k for this, or 6k for a mint gen 1 with 5k miles on it?
My point is, it’s not enough of a transition imho, too samey and still as ugly as sin.
I saw it refered toon Twitter as looking like Predator being kicked up the arse!
It's on the new dedicated SDR frame rather than the old cludged Super Adventure frame like the early ones which is a big change.My point is, it’s not enough of a transition imho, too samey and still as ugly as sin.
I saw it refered toon Twitter as looking like Predator being kicked up the arse!
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
188bhp?
Do you really need anything over 160? Even 160 is too much for 90% of owners.
Of course Do you really need anything over 160? Even 160 is too much for 90% of owners.
The GT started with 172 bhp and 103 lb ft of torque, and I think the latest ones have a bit more, but more is always better in a road bike. The latest adventure versions might get less, I've not looked. And yes, it is useable, all of the time, the bike makes it so
SteveKTMer said:
Of course The GT started with 172 bhp and 103 lb ft of torque, and I think the latest ones have a bit more, but more is always better in a road bike. The latest adventure versions might get less, I've not looked.
And yes, it is useable, all of the time, the bike makes it so
It's not usable though, is it. The GT started with 172 bhp and 103 lb ft of torque, and I think the latest ones have a bit more, but more is always better in a road bike. The latest adventure versions might get less, I've not looked. And yes, it is useable, all of the time, the bike makes it so
Conservatively assuming a 100kg rider and a 40 degree angle between the road and a straight line through the rear contact patch and composite centre of mass, you would need to be doing somewhere between 80 and 90mph before 188bhp wouldn't lift the front wheel. That doesn't account for drivetrain losses, but it also doesn't account for wind drag which will lift the front wheel even more.
If you could actually put a continuous 188bhp to the tarmac that same bike would do 0-60 in 0.83 seconds. Nobody could actually do much better than 3 seconds because again it would just loop out.
TurboHatchback said:
It's not usable though, is it.
Conservatively assuming a 100kg rider and a 40 degree angle between the road and a straight line through the rear contact patch and composite centre of mass, you would need to be doing somewhere between 80 and 90mph before 188bhp wouldn't lift the front wheel. That doesn't account for drivetrain losses, but it also doesn't account for wind drag which will lift the front wheel even more.
If you could actually put a continuous 188bhp to the tarmac that same bike would do 0-60 in 0.83 seconds. Nobody could actually do much better than 3 seconds because again it would just loop out.
No, apparantly it really isn't. Conservatively assuming a 100kg rider and a 40 degree angle between the road and a straight line through the rear contact patch and composite centre of mass, you would need to be doing somewhere between 80 and 90mph before 188bhp wouldn't lift the front wheel. That doesn't account for drivetrain losses, but it also doesn't account for wind drag which will lift the front wheel even more.
If you could actually put a continuous 188bhp to the tarmac that same bike would do 0-60 in 0.83 seconds. Nobody could actually do much better than 3 seconds because again it would just loop out.
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-vie...
SteveKTMer said:
Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
188bhp?
Do you really need anything over 160? Even 160 is too much for 90% of owners.
Of course Do you really need anything over 160? Even 160 is too much for 90% of owners.
The GT started with 172 bhp and 103 lb ft of torque, and I think the latest ones have a bit more, but more is always better in a road bike. The latest adventure versions might get less, I've not looked. And yes, it is useable, all of the time, the bike makes it so
It's not usable on a regular basis but that doesn't mean it's not usable as and when the right circumstances present and, it's great fun when such circumstances do present!
Edited by black-k1 on Thursday 7th November 12:21
Anyway back on track...
I think it looks great, hopefully they've sorted the issues people have had with the TFT dash and the contactless fuel cap.
My 2017 SDGT is a wonderful thing. No I might not need 175bhp all of the time but it's great fun when I do!
It won't wheelie or loop out either, there's clever electronics to prevent that (unless you turn them off, then it'll come up quite easily).
I think it looks great, hopefully they've sorted the issues people have had with the TFT dash and the contactless fuel cap.
My 2017 SDGT is a wonderful thing. No I might not need 175bhp all of the time but it's great fun when I do!
It won't wheelie or loop out either, there's clever electronics to prevent that (unless you turn them off, then it'll come up quite easily).
TurboHatchback said:
SteveKTMer said:
Of course The GT started with 172 bhp and 103 lb ft of torque, and I think the latest ones have a bit more, but more is always better in a road bike. The latest adventure versions might get less, I've not looked.
And yes, it is useable, all of the time, the bike makes it so
It's not usable though, is it. The GT started with 172 bhp and 103 lb ft of torque, and I think the latest ones have a bit more, but more is always better in a road bike. The latest adventure versions might get less, I've not looked. And yes, it is useable, all of the time, the bike makes it so
Conservatively assuming a 100kg rider and a 40 degree angle between the road and a straight line through the rear contact patch and composite centre of mass, you would need to be doing somewhere between 80 and 90mph before 188bhp wouldn't lift the front wheel. That doesn't account for drivetrain losses, but it also doesn't account for wind drag which will lift the front wheel even more.
If you could actually put a continuous 188bhp to the tarmac that same bike would do 0-60 in 0.83 seconds. Nobody could actually do much better than 3 seconds because again it would just loop out.
Typical software developer, given free choice, answers a question nobody asked by ignoring the most important facts 
poo at Paul's said:
18k for this, or 6k for a mint gen 1 with 5k miles on it?
My point is, it’s not enough of a transition imho, too samey and still as ugly as sin.
I saw it refered toon Twitter as looking like Predator being kicked up the arse!
Its a massive step up from an old Gen 1, there's always going to people that cant afford a new model so there's no justification or relevance to even consider using the old bike as a financial reference . If you can afford it the new bikes are nearly always better. My point is, it’s not enough of a transition imho, too samey and still as ugly as sin.
I saw it refered toon Twitter as looking like Predator being kicked up the arse!
Not everyone is restricted to having an old bike in the garage ( classics not relevant) .
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