Another one bites the dust

Another one bites the dust

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Rhonda

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1,768 posts

261 months

Monday 21st October 2024
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Pidcocks in Notts. 2 locations. Triumph and BM dealers have gone according to posts on the GS forum.

Caddyshack

12,455 posts

220 months

Monday 21st October 2024
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Were they ones who had been taken over by a big group previously?


My local Suzuki dealer seem to have the same bikes for months and months, I would assume they needed lots of fast turnover.

I tried to book my bike in for service and nobody called me back?

milesgiles

2,231 posts

43 months

Monday 21st October 2024
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Is triumph OK I think they lost another one near me

Caddyshack

12,455 posts

220 months

Monday 21st October 2024
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milesgiles said:
Is triumph OK I think they lost another one near me
Would the manufacturer and dealer go hand in hand? I see lots of Triumphs on the road but maybe there were too many dealers to handle a slow down in the market?

milesgiles

2,231 posts

43 months

Monday 21st October 2024
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Caddyshack said:
Would the manufacturer and dealer go hand in hand? I see lots of Triumphs on the road but maybe there were too many dealers to handle a slow down in the market?
Idk suppose we all shop differently these days

PT1984

2,844 posts

197 months

Monday 21st October 2024
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I hope Pidcock Ducati don’t go. I won’t be able to book mine into Cornerspeed! A good group at Duc. Always got a little discount on bigger stuff without asking, just having a chat.

Caddyshack

12,455 posts

220 months

Tuesday 22nd October 2024
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milesgiles said:
Caddyshack said:
Would the manufacturer and dealer go hand in hand? I see lots of Triumphs on the road but maybe there were too many dealers to handle a slow down in the market?
Idk suppose we all shop differently these days
The change in shopping habits is a problem that we haven’t worked out how to adapt to. I think a motorbike needs a test ride, sit on, feel but then we have many routes to buy that bike which doesn’t always reward the shop that puts on the fancy display and allows us the test ride.

I felt very bad that I test rode a Ducati at one dealer but they couldn’t supply a bike for when I wanted it but I found a bike at another dealer and bought it over the phone. I will make sure the one who gave the test ride gets the servicing but not everyone thinks like that.

Altitude

146 posts

16 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2024
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PT1984 said:
I hope Pidcock Ducati don’t go. I won’t be able to book mine into Cornerspeed! A good group at Duc. Always got a little discount on bigger stuff without asking, just having a chat.
If it's pidcocks as a whole, that'll be them all gone I'd expect.

PT1984

2,844 posts

197 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2024
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Yep. They have frown

Hugo Stiglitz v2

428 posts

8 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2024
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Caddyshack said:
Were they ones who had been taken over by a big group previously?


My local Suzuki dealer seem to have the same bikes for months and months, I would assume they needed lots of fast turnover.

I tried to book my bike in for service and nobody called me back?
Are you near me? The one near me is only interested if your buying a new bike on finance. Parts or service? No recall.

Caddyshack

12,455 posts

220 months

Wednesday 23rd October 2024
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Hugo Stiglitz v2 said:
Caddyshack said:
Were they ones who had been taken over by a big group previously?


My local Suzuki dealer seem to have the same bikes for months and months, I would assume they needed lots of fast turnover.

I tried to book my bike in for service and nobody called me back?
Are you near me? The one near me is only interested if your buying a new bike on finance. Parts or service? No recall.
I am Surrey /hants 20 miles south of Guildford

mikey_b

2,315 posts

59 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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I suppose the only good news is that for every dealer that goes, it increases the pool of customers for the remaining ones. Does seem to have been a rash of failures in the last few weeks though, I guess cost of living increases and a bloody awful summer haven't exactly been good for business.

Plus, a lot of them seem to have followed car dealerships down the route of chrome and glass palaces in recent years. That ain't cheap, and may be biting them on the bum now.

boyse7en

7,537 posts

179 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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mikey_b said:
I suppose the only good news is that for every dealer that goes, it increases the pool of customers for the remaining ones. Does seem to have been a rash of failures in the last few weeks though, I guess cost of living increases and a bloody awful summer haven't exactly been good for business.

Plus, a lot of them seem to have followed car dealerships down the route of chrome and glass palaces in recent years. That ain't cheap, and may be biting them on the bum now.
Unfortunately that's not what happens. If a local dealer closes, more people just chose not to buy a bike - especially for the smaller capacity stuff. Who want to have to travel 50-60 miles, or more, each way to get a 125 serviced?

The chrome palaces are stipulated by the franchise – BMW, Yamaha, or whoever, will stipulate everything in the dealership from floortiles to lighting, signage to uniform, and charge them handsomely for it too. If you take on a new franchise and then have to spend £250k fitting out a showroom, you have to sell a lot of bikes to cover the costs.

black-k1

12,427 posts

243 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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boyse7en said:
Unfortunately that's not what happens. If a local dealer closes, more people just chose not to buy a bike - especially for the smaller capacity stuff. Who want to have to travel 50-60 miles, or more, each way to get a 125 serviced?

The chrome palaces are stipulated by the franchise – BMW, Yamaha, or whoever, will stipulate everything in the dealership from floortiles to lighting, signage to uniform, and charge them handsomely for it too. If you take on a new franchise and then have to spend £250k fitting out a showroom, you have to sell a lot of bikes to cover the costs.
Sadly, I think this is the situation. A reduction in dealers, especially for small bikes, just means a reduction in those getting into biking. Even for larger bikes, people are reluctant to buy because getting the bike serviced becomes a major issue with the travelling required. How many times have you heard "I'd love to buy a insert manufacturer's name but there are no dealers near me. As the average age of the majority of bikers gets older, so more will say a lack of local dealers is probably the signal to give up completely! frown

Biker 1

8,134 posts

133 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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Sad state of affairs all round!
I've been a P&H Motorcycles customer for many years & now have very limited local options. I'm really surprised that here in supposedly the richest part of the UK, there are so few offerings.

OutInTheShed

11,206 posts

40 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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Most bike owners I know seem to have a bike that's 4 to 10 years old that they are pretty happy with.
So many bikes are plenty powerful enough, reliable and keep looking good with a bit of care.

To trade up to a new bike is a lot of money for no real-world gain.
I'm also struggling to see anything that I like which would actually be better for me than what I have.
I love the look of some sportsbikes, but I don't feel the need for one.
The retro things don't do much for me.
The adventure bikes are just too big.

Shooter McGavin

8,175 posts

158 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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Do people on here buy new bikes on PCP? I've got three bikes, but the newest is a 2002 VFR800, paid for in cash as a 5yo used bike.

Whenever I look at Ride or Bike magazine these days everything focuses on the PCP monthlies, because the price to buy a new bike outright is fairly hefty relative to average income. I could be completely wrong, but I think Average Joe is just about happy enough to drop £249/month on hatchback because they need a car, but not so keen on doing similar on a something that doesn't get much use for several months of the year, in the middle of a cost of living crisis.

Looking at 2023, the whole bike market was 2.5% down in volumes compared to 2022 - a small but worrying decline.

Will be interesting to see the 2024 figures.

https://mcia.co.uk/posts/december-and-full-year-20...


Bob_Defly

4,700 posts

245 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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Shooter McGavin said:
Do people on here buy new bikes on PCP? I've got three bikes, but the newest is a 2002 VFR800, paid for in cash as a 5yo used bike.

Whenever I look at Ride or Bike magazine these days everything focuses on the PCP monthlies, because the price to buy a new bike outright is fairly hefty relative to average income. I could be completely wrong, but I think Average Joe is just about happy enough to drop £249/month on hatchback because they need a car, but not so keen on doing similar on a something that doesn't get much use for several months of the year, in the middle of a cost of living crisis.

Looking at 2023, the whole bike market was 2.5% down in volumes compared to 2022 - a small but worrying decline.

Will be interesting to see the 2024 figures.

https://mcia.co.uk/posts/december-and-full-year-20...
Yes but you have to look at pre-covid numbers to get a better picture, as everything is down from the covid boom.

2023 was only down -1.2% for motorcycles (excl mopeds), and 2022 was up +2.0%. 2024 is when the real cost of living started to hit.

smifffymoto

5,040 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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Paddock motorcycles in Congleton have gone.They were a Yamaha dealer.

Caddyshack

12,455 posts

220 months

Thursday 24th October 2024
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mikey_b said:
I suppose the only good news is that for every dealer that goes, it increases the pool of customers for the remaining ones. Does seem to have been a rash of failures in the last few weeks though, I guess cost of living increases and a bloody awful summer haven't exactly been good for business.

Plus, a lot of them seem to have followed car dealerships down the route of chrome and glass palaces in recent years. That ain't cheap, and may be biting them on the bum now.
Pubs did the same, now…a lot of good pubs are busy as the many poor or mediocre ones close by have closed.