Itch For A New Bike
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This will be a bit rambly as I have no idea what I want. Currently have a Street Triple 765RS which I love and is going nowhere but want something else to go along side it. Initially I was thinking something cheaper to use to commute on and keep the RS good. But now I'm thinking more about keeping the RS for commuting, as on the roads I use it's so good, then buying a new toy for weekends and further rides. Doesn't have to be something too upright like a Tiger 1200 but don't want a full race bike either as I'm not sure I could hold the position for long. This lead me to think about bikes like the Tuono 1100 or something with a part fairing which is better at the odd motorway run. A mate has a M1000R but he's selling it for the next reason and the costs of running and insuring.
But the biggest problem if I go brand new/nearly new is aftermarket support. I'm in Swansea so Aprilia, BMW, Ducati, etc are Bristol or further, some are Cardiff which is OK. Locally we have Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha but unless I'm missing something, nothing appeals from them. I've been happy with my RS but do want to try another brand if I can. Did test the Speed Triple 1200 but suspension was a bit jarring and I keep reading of issues. Plus I suspect a new one is imminent, given the discounts. Have no idea on Aprilia reliability, do read it isn't the best on range but from rough insurance quotes it's doable. Some bikes I've done, especially BMW's have been silly so they are all but out.
Ideally I'll need to visit a few and test ride a few again to see what's what but I'm up for any suggestions. Something either new or within 3yrs old. For reference I'm 6'1, 92kg.
But the biggest problem if I go brand new/nearly new is aftermarket support. I'm in Swansea so Aprilia, BMW, Ducati, etc are Bristol or further, some are Cardiff which is OK. Locally we have Honda, Suzuki and Yamaha but unless I'm missing something, nothing appeals from them. I've been happy with my RS but do want to try another brand if I can. Did test the Speed Triple 1200 but suspension was a bit jarring and I keep reading of issues. Plus I suspect a new one is imminent, given the discounts. Have no idea on Aprilia reliability, do read it isn't the best on range but from rough insurance quotes it's doable. Some bikes I've done, especially BMW's have been silly so they are all but out.
Ideally I'll need to visit a few and test ride a few again to see what's what but I'm up for any suggestions. Something either new or within 3yrs old. For reference I'm 6'1, 92kg.
Opinions are like A Holes and here’s mine …
Get something completely different to what you ride now, and don’t get something ‘Better’ or as has been already said, you won’t ride your current bike ever again.
So, Superduke, Tuono V4, M1000R I’d discount them personally.
Same again with do it all bikes like GS, MultiStrada etc ..
For me. I’d be looking at something like a Beta Alp, Ducati Hypermotard, Triumph Bobber, Honda ADV 350 scooter for the commute, Husky 701 supermoto.
Get something completely different to what you ride now, and don’t get something ‘Better’ or as has been already said, you won’t ride your current bike ever again.
So, Superduke, Tuono V4, M1000R I’d discount them personally.
Same again with do it all bikes like GS, MultiStrada etc ..
For me. I’d be looking at something like a Beta Alp, Ducati Hypermotard, Triumph Bobber, Honda ADV 350 scooter for the commute, Husky 701 supermoto.
trickywoo said:
Have you had a v twin before?
If not you’ve got a KTM dealer in town who will sell you a Super Duke.
I think there are still some new original style Gen 3 bikes available. Steal at around £13k.
Bad news is you’ll probably never want to ride the 765 again.
I find a V twin lumpy and not willing to rev. I have had the APRILIA RS660 and I currently have a Ducati Multistrada V2s 2023 but I think the engine on my gsxr600 is soooo much better as the power builds with the revs, it’s smooth and has no vibes, it also sounds like an F1 car compared to a tractor.If not you’ve got a KTM dealer in town who will sell you a Super Duke.
I think there are still some new original style Gen 3 bikes available. Steal at around £13k.
Bad news is you’ll probably never want to ride the 765 again.
It's a good point to get something totally different to the Triple. I did consider the Tiger 1200 and do have a test booked in when the Triple goes in for it's next service. But if I do decide to get a 2nd bike, the Triple would be for commuting only. It's hard I know as you've got the better, shiny thing in the garage, why wouldn't you use it? But I'm in a similar situation with owning a GR86 but I use the bike or a Suzuki Swift for commuting on the worse days. I still have fun in the Swift but in a completely different way to the GR86.
Got no real interest in KTM. Based on mates who've had them spend more time in the garage than on the road and a dealer that didn't seem fussed. But not looked into models for that reason. Harley are also out too.
Got no real interest in KTM. Based on mates who've had them spend more time in the garage than on the road and a dealer that didn't seem fussed. But not looked into models for that reason. Harley are also out too.
Go completely nuts and get an MV Agusta Dragster 800RR.
Brilliant for the weekend and the odd commute. 800cc is a triple and completely nuts in Dragster spec. You'll also get all the toys.
MV is now owned by KTM so service, parts and everything going forward should be much easier. Plenty of Dragsters around at reasonable money.
Brilliant for the weekend and the odd commute. 800cc is a triple and completely nuts in Dragster spec. You'll also get all the toys.
MV is now owned by KTM so service, parts and everything going forward should be much easier. Plenty of Dragsters around at reasonable money.
Caddyshack said:
trickywoo said:
Have you had a v twin before?
If not you’ve got a KTM dealer in town who will sell you a Super Duke.
I think there are still some new original style Gen 3 bikes available. Steal at around £13k.
Bad news is you’ll probably never want to ride the 765 again.
I find a V twin lumpy and not willing to rev. I have had the APRILIA RS660 and I currently have a Ducati Multistrada V2s 2023 but I think the engine on my gsxr600 is soooo much better as the power builds with the revs, it’s smooth and has no vibes, it also sounds like an F1 car compared to a tractor.If not you’ve got a KTM dealer in town who will sell you a Super Duke.
I think there are still some new original style Gen 3 bikes available. Steal at around £13k.
Bad news is you’ll probably never want to ride the 765 again.
Kinda echoing the above but the issue you have is that modern nakeds are too good now, that it makes it difficult to justify a second bike unless you go for something completely different.
I currently have a Ducati 749 and a Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650. Which I thought was going to be a great combo but I'm starting to find the Royal Enfield a bit useless now. Simply because when it's a nice day I want to hop on the Duc and I don't tend to use my bikes for commuting. I am wanting to start maybe doing some touring and although the RE could do it, I don't think it will be great so looking at Multistradas etc, but worried I won't touch the 749 if I get one of them!
I think the solution is to not look at bikes which are good at everything but not great a something. Have two bikes that are both great at doing different things so a sports bike then whatever else you feel you need from a bike that the sports bike can't fulfil.
You might end up finding that you don't need two bikes but just replace the triple with say a hyper naked like a tuono etc.
I currently have a Ducati 749 and a Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650. Which I thought was going to be a great combo but I'm starting to find the Royal Enfield a bit useless now. Simply because when it's a nice day I want to hop on the Duc and I don't tend to use my bikes for commuting. I am wanting to start maybe doing some touring and although the RE could do it, I don't think it will be great so looking at Multistradas etc, but worried I won't touch the 749 if I get one of them!
I think the solution is to not look at bikes which are good at everything but not great a something. Have two bikes that are both great at doing different things so a sports bike then whatever else you feel you need from a bike that the sports bike can't fulfil.
You might end up finding that you don't need two bikes but just replace the triple with say a hyper naked like a tuono etc.
Thanks for the advice. I'll try and test a few things first, which as you say could ruin the Triple for me but I do fully intend on keeping it for commuting, plus I have sentimental attachment to it for several reasons. It's also 5yrs old so it's worth more to me than anyone else, has had the big service.
PT1984 said:
Do you want to be any faster on the road than on your 765? If no, then perhaps look at getting the suspension upgraded. Saying that, do these come with Swedish gold anyway?
On the road it's more than enough and it's better than I am. Suspension is OK as the rear is an Ohlins but I could always change it and get a setup done. Part of it is I wouldn't mind a few more toys on the bike and to own a nice thing again. Most things have all electric adjustable now and even more modes and setting to play with. When I buy something I tend to keep it a long time. Edited by PT1984 on Friday 12th July 15:16
KobayashiMaru86 said:
PT1984 said:
Do you want to be any faster on the road than on your 765? If no, then perhaps look at getting the suspension upgraded. Saying that, do these come with Swedish gold anyway?
On the road it's more than enough and it's better than I am. Suspension is OK as the rear is an Ohlins but I could always change it and get a setup done. Part of it is I wouldn't mind a few more toys on the bike and to own a nice thing again. Most things have all electric adjustable now and even more modes and setting to play with. When I buy something I tend to keep it a long time. Edited by PT1984 on Friday 12th July 15:16
Again speaking from experience of various Ducati superbikes on road/track, it's handy to switch but not a deal breaker.
Freakuk said:
Unless you're switching between road/track/pillion I find electronically adjustable suspension a waste of money. If you're riding to once condition - road for example are you really going to be tweaking things? I'd save yourself a few £££ get it setup for you/your riding style (which may cost you some £££ if it involves springs/dampers anyway) rather than add complexity that doesn't need to be there.
Again speaking from experience of various Ducati superbikes on road/track, it's handy to switch but not a deal breaker.
I disagree with that. I’m a Luddite but bought the electronic suspension super duke because I got a deal on it. I thought I’d set it and never touch it again. Reality is that I change the preload and damper settings often. On the fly I have each on a one button shortcut and can change them in seconds. The difference is noticeable. It tends to be ‘only’ £1k / £1.5k more which isn’t much on what are now £14k+ bikes.Again speaking from experience of various Ducati superbikes on road/track, it's handy to switch but not a deal breaker.
You don’t need it of course but neither do you need a q/s or arguably traction control etc.
Id agree with everyone else thats said one of the supernakeds isn't what you want alongside the street triple, you wont fancy riding the triumph much!
Id look at selling the triumph, getting a supernaked and then something completely different alongside or keeping the triumph and getting something the polar opposite. No point having 2 bikes that effectively do the same job!
This is only my opinion though! I have a 2019 Tuono V4 factory, 1996 P1 ZX7R and a 2002 Honda Transalp which has been quite modified for offroad use and to be honest they are all as fun as each other because they all do things very differently. Obviously the Aprilia is by far and away the best bike but quite often I find the transalp more fun even on the road with its knobbly tyres and lack of power or the 7R if i want to roll around looking cool but with great handling, sound and the general kudos that goes with a classic bike!
Id look at selling the triumph, getting a supernaked and then something completely different alongside or keeping the triumph and getting something the polar opposite. No point having 2 bikes that effectively do the same job!
This is only my opinion though! I have a 2019 Tuono V4 factory, 1996 P1 ZX7R and a 2002 Honda Transalp which has been quite modified for offroad use and to be honest they are all as fun as each other because they all do things very differently. Obviously the Aprilia is by far and away the best bike but quite often I find the transalp more fun even on the road with its knobbly tyres and lack of power or the 7R if i want to roll around looking cool but with great handling, sound and the general kudos that goes with a classic bike!
Edited by patchb on Friday 12th July 19:25
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