Shakey suing MSV / BSB
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I also suffered life changing injuries in my 20,s arguably worse than his, i crashed at thruxton, did i sue, no, if i wanted a safe life i wouldnt have been racing bikes, its part of it, knowing you might get hurt.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
He'll have to prove they are negligent if so - be interested to see similar corners with similar amounts of runoff are equipped with air fences.
Snetterton is FIA Grade 3, according to Wikipedia. So are Oulton, Croft, Knockhill and Thruxton. Given the corner isn't a high speed one, coming off a bottom gear hairpin, is it reasonable to have air fences there? At the end of the two straights, and into Agostini, you could argue it, but not convinced there.
Snetterton is FIA Grade 3, according to Wikipedia. So are Oulton, Croft, Knockhill and Thruxton. Given the corner isn't a high speed one, coming off a bottom gear hairpin, is it reasonable to have air fences there? At the end of the two straights, and into Agostini, you could argue it, but not convinced there.
zeb said:
Not sure what grounds he is suing them on. Could set a dangerous precedent for the sport.
Probably skint, or short of a few quid now.richhead said:
I also suffered life changing injuries in my 20,s arguably worse than his, i crashed at thruxton, did i sue, no, if i wanted a safe life i wouldnt have been racing bikes, its part of it, knowing you might get hurt.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
Have to agree with the above, no one forced him to go racing and he has seen friends/rivals hurt or worse around him for years. I guess you could ask how many other people have crashed at that corner and ended up injured, how many people have raised their concerns to MSV regarding that corner. Surely the whole circuit must meet the FIM/FIA standards so I'm not sure there's even a case here, unless I am missing something.While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
Freakuk said:
zeb said:
Not sure what grounds he is suing them on. Could set a dangerous precedent for the sport.
Probably skint, or short of a few quid now.richhead said:
I also suffered life changing injuries in my 20,s arguably worse than his, i crashed at thruxton, did i sue, no, if i wanted a safe life i wouldnt have been racing bikes, its part of it, knowing you might get hurt.
While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
Have to agree with the above, no one forced him to go racing and he has seen friends/rivals hurt or worse around him for years. I guess you could ask how many other people have crashed at that corner and ended up injured, how many people have raised their concerns to MSV regarding that corner. Surely the whole circuit must meet the FIM/FIA standards so I'm not sure there's even a case here, unless I am missing something.While he was a great racer, i so hope he looses this case, ive worked in motorsport of various types most of my life, and have seen some horrendous things, but people riding/driving know the risks, i used to admire the guy, now have no respect for him at all.
its abit like going into a lions cage and suing when you get bitten.
hes made alot of money out of racing, why ruin it for others.
him winning would only put costs up for everyone
what a prat.
i had so much respect for him, he became something i tried to but failed, like lance armstrong, this hits me hard as an ex cyclist then bike racer, i hate everything about him now.
take john surtees for example, i knew him when his son died, he said to me, racing is dangerous.
he knew and accepted the risks and although heartbroken when his son died, he also excepted that it was a possibility.
how he can look in the mirror amazes me.
JimbobVFR said:
Isn't Palmers quite tight for run off being essentially hemmed in by other parts of the track on both sides?
Satellite image captured from G maps.
I might be mistaken, but I don't think he ran straight on and hit the barrier between palmers and turn 1. I think the rear lost grip, turned the bike 90degrees and he hit the barrier to the inside of the turn pretty much head on. A freak accident really...Satellite image captured from G maps.
it's a bit weird - would be interested to hear the details.
If there was supposed to be a air fence there, and it wasn't for some reason and he had raced on the assumption there was...........I kinda get it. As in first time he discovered the safety was a lower standard than he was told was when he hit it and got hurt.
However.......anything else, seems a bit odd not having much detail
If there was supposed to be a air fence there, and it wasn't for some reason and he had raced on the assumption there was...........I kinda get it. As in first time he discovered the safety was a lower standard than he was told was when he hit it and got hurt.
However.......anything else, seems a bit odd not having much detail
Far Cough said:
trickywoo said:
I see Shakey is suing MSV / BSB over his Snet crash.
What is the source BTW ? ..........any link at all ?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13415487/...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1899159/shane-by...
It’s a strange one. Most strange is why now? Is he skint? About to be kicked off the gravy train of following the series round?
Whilst it’s easy to say “he chose to race”, in this era you have to make reasonable effort to protect people. I’ve no idea of the ins and outs of this crash at this corner; was there previous advice to protect that barrier more etc?
From my limited experience of doing risk assessments in reasonably risky areas I’ve been surprised how everything isn’t always “you must do this or else” it’s very much, do what’s reasonable. Putting an air fence round both sides of a 3 mile long track for a domestic series isn’t reasonable to my mind. Putting it where it’s most likely needed is though.
But for me the most worrying part is that he’s suing (or trying to) 6 years on from the crash. Insurers are going to be backing away from racing at a fair pace if he’s successful which could be very bad news for the sport.
Whilst it’s easy to say “he chose to race”, in this era you have to make reasonable effort to protect people. I’ve no idea of the ins and outs of this crash at this corner; was there previous advice to protect that barrier more etc?
From my limited experience of doing risk assessments in reasonably risky areas I’ve been surprised how everything isn’t always “you must do this or else” it’s very much, do what’s reasonable. Putting an air fence round both sides of a 3 mile long track for a domestic series isn’t reasonable to my mind. Putting it where it’s most likely needed is though.
But for me the most worrying part is that he’s suing (or trying to) 6 years on from the crash. Insurers are going to be backing away from racing at a fair pace if he’s successful which could be very bad news for the sport.
My brother died racing at knockhill in the 1st "reverse" races in years. This following life changing injuries to another rider on a track day 2 days before.
The thought to sue never crossed mine or his wifes mind even after the track was modified and saftey mesures put in a few weeks later.
The thought to sue never crossed mine or his wifes mind even after the track was modified and saftey mesures put in a few weeks later.
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