Why no Daytona 765?

[Skeptisk]

This is a genuine question borne from ignorance of what would be involved.

Triumph have the Street Triple 765. How hard would it be to produce a Daytona 765? Is it much more than full fairings and clip ons? If no what would be the downside? There must be some people (me!) who would still prefer a Daytona 765 to the ST.

[moanthebairns]

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

[Skeptisk]

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Kawasaki and Honda have brought back the ZX6R and CBR 600 RR this year so maybe there is some hope for the sportsbike market (or maybe it won’t and they will take them off sale again!)

I don’t have a bike currently so will be testing quite a few before committing myself (which will include both the ST and CBR).

[Waynester]

Skeptisk said:

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Kawasaki and Honda have brought back the ZX6R and CBR 600 RR this year so maybe there is some hope for the sportsbike market (or maybe it won’t and they will take them off sale again!)

I don’t have a bike currently so will be testing quite a few before committing myself (which will include both the ST and CBR).

Another sportbike vote here.. Kawasaki brought back the ZX4R as well, which looks great in the 40th anniversary colours

[Krikkit]

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Wouldn't need to do all that lot though, the Street triple RS has all the equipment, just needs fairings and clip ons

[Tango13]

Krikkit said:

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Wouldn't need to do all that lot though, the Street triple RS has all the equipment, just needs fairings and clip ons

The standard 675 Street Triple had two pot sliding calipers on the front, the 'R' version had the same radial set up as the Daytona and better suspension.

[gareth_r]

I don't know if it has any bearing on Triumph's decisions, but learners are restricted to 660cc in the Antipodes.

[PinkHouse]

Krikkit said:

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Wouldn't need to do all that lot though, the Street triple RS has all the equipment, just needs fairings and clip ons

The Street Triple 765 Moto 2 edition already comes with clip-ons from the factory, so all it really needs is some fairings

[PeterGadsby]

Waynester said:

Another sportbike vote here.. Kawasaki brought back the ZX4R as well, which looks great in the 40th anniversary colours

I bought one, and love it (so far) i think there is going to be a resurgence of people that had 80s 90s sports bikes...

[Tam_Mullen]

I think Triumph releasing a 660 Daytona bodes well for a new 765 version.

It does seem strange to me that they are so well represented in WSSP, BSS, road racing etc and make the engines for Moto2 that they wouldn't be falling over themselves to make a road replica. But as many have said, the sport bike market (in the UK at least) is on its knees.

[rodericb]

Skeptisk said:

This is a genuine question borne from ignorance of what would be involved.

Triumph have the Street Triple 765. How hard would it be to produce a Daytona 765? Is it much more than full fairings and clip ons? If no what would be the downside? There must be some people (me!) who would still prefer a Daytona 765 to the ST.

Are you thinking of doing this yourself? As posters have said the specifications of the parts between the Daytona and the Speed Triple are different but they're all bolted on to possibly the same chassis. If the points they attach are common across Daytona and Speed Triple then you could change the parts you want. Daytona-fying a Speed Triple would require some expensive parts as opposed to going the other way but you might think it's worthwhile and I'd imagine there's tonnes of Daytona parts out there....

[moanthebairns]

Tango13 said:

Krikkit said:

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Wouldn't need to do all that lot though, the Street triple RS has all the equipment, just needs fairings and clip ons

The standard 675 Street Triple had two pot sliding calipers on the front, the 'R' version had the same radial set up as the Daytona and better suspension.

Yes you're correct, perhaps mines was a lazy post by just showing the differences at the time when they came out. I had the Street triple R you mention, its the only bike I've regretted selling. I own two Daytonas from that model timeframe and my Dad had an early street. I really should have covered it better.

But I just don't think there is the market there for a proper Daytona, they weren't shifting them in the end. I only see them coming back if litre bikes prices continue to rise.

[bogie]

Triumph seem to focus on the big sellers, like adventure bikes, retro bikes but no sports bike to go head to head with the rest of the market. Shame as a new Daytona would be fantastic...

I would like a new Triumph sports tourer thats not a tall adventure bike. I love my Trophy 1215, it would be great updated with the newer>160bhp triple and modern electronics, but its another niche market and last time around Triumph failed to sell against the BMW dominated market segment .

[Tango13]

moanthebairns said:

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But I just don't think there is the market there for a proper Daytona, they weren't shifting them in the end. I only see them coming back if litre bikes prices continue to rise.

I'm inclined to agree, the Speed Triple with the half fairing didn't seem to be that popular either.

The problem with litre bikes is like you say, bloody expensive to buy performance you can't really use on the road.

WSBK has a lot to answer for with regards road bike development.

[Krikkit]

Tango13 said:

Krikkit said:

moanthebairns said:

When the original Street and Daytona 675's came out the differences were quite large.

The Daytona was more track focused, clip on's, adjustable front and rear suspension, radial brakes, fairings (so that's different clock/screen bracket and lights), different seat and I believe it produced just over 20 bhp more but was heavier.

They could in theory do this again, but there just isn't the market for it, no one seems to buy sportsbikes anymore (myself excluded) and I don't see them doing it with the 660 just coming out.

Wouldn't need to do all that lot though, the Street triple RS has all the equipment, just needs fairings and clip ons

The standard 675 Street Triple had two pot sliding calipers on the front, the 'R' version had the same radial set up as the Daytona and better suspension.

Sorry I was talking about the current new Street RS which has QS/blipper, lovely Brembos, adjustable front/rear suspenders, more aggressive geo than the standard bike etc.

[Bob_Defly]

The new CRB600RR looks and sounds fantastic, but it was insurance that killed off the ~600cc supersport market over here (Canada). As everyone with an old R6 rides like a complete bellend. They were getting stolen and crashed so often that they became uninsurable.

Weird thing is, litre bikes are still ok, expensive to insure, but not too bad. As they tend to be ridden by older riders.

I agree that a faired 765RS would look nice. I wonder if the aftermarket would make a kit..?

[2ndclasscitizen]

gareth_r said:

I don't know if it has any bearing on Triumph's decisions, but learners are restricted to 660cc in the Antipodes.

Yeah the 660cc engine wasn't created for the Trident/Tiger Sport/Daytona 660, Triumph have been selling it for years now in Street Triples here in Oz to fit LAMS regulations: https://www.bikesales.com.au/bikes/?q=(And.Service...

[MK3 Dan]

They did already do one but it was limited edition:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/triump...

Maybe this was a test to see if a 'mainstream' bike would be worth it?

[Bob_Defly]

MK3 Dan said:

They did already do one but it was limited edition:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/triump...

Maybe this was a test to see if a 'mainstream' bike would be worth it?

Funnily enough that didn't sell well here, either too expensive or a bit dated looking.

[Skeptisk]

Bob_Defly said:

MK3 Dan said:

They did already do one but it was limited edition:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/triump...

Maybe this was a test to see if a 'mainstream' bike would be worth it?

Funnily enough that didn't sell well here, either too expensive or a bit dated looking.

I suspect price the big issue. Over £15k. At the time I only paid £8k for a new GSXR 750 (in NZ) and the Triumph wasn’t twice the bike.