Strange brake issue

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8IKERDAVE

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2,402 posts

219 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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I seem to have had issues with my front brake on my 2017 GSXS1000 for a long time now. Recently after a few days away the lever felt very spongy and was almost coming back to the bar (quite unnerving on North Yorkshire roads!). I topped up the fluid and bled it from the Master cylinder and everything felt fine. However, I went for a quick blast on Sunday and noticed the brake deteriorating throughout the ride until it was as bad as previously. I also noticed seeping from the reservoir.

I'm planning to give the brakes a big overhaul over winter (new pads, piston clean, new fluid and braided lines). Before I do so though I need to establish what this issue is. I've never had a reservoir leaking before. I made sure the seals and plastic insert were cleaned and seated correctly but somethings just not quite right. I'm by no means an expert so any advice would be appreciated!

airsafari87

2,807 posts

188 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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I’d guess that wherever the fluid is seeping from is also allowing air back in to the system and that could be the reason why they are getting spongy as the ride progresses.

8IKERDAVE

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219 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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airsafari87 said:
I’d guess that wherever the fluid is seeping from is also allowing air back in to the system and that could be the reason why they are getting spongy as the ride progresses.
I'm thinking similar. Maybe start with replacing the reservoir gasket as it looks as though that is what's leaking.

kev b

2,724 posts

172 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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Could be a warped disc pushing the caliper pistons in slightly?

julian64

14,317 posts

260 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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I don't think its likely to be the leaking reservoir.

The reservoir is usually significantly higher that the master cylinder, so unless the reserviour has actually leaked enough to let air into the system its still maintaining a positive pressure

Problem is much more likey to be an air leak around the master cylinder itself. is there any brake fouid apparent there?

8IKERDAVE

Original Poster:

2,402 posts

219 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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julian64 said:
I don't think its likely to be the leaking reservoir.

The reservoir is usually significantly higher that the master cylinder, so unless the reserviour has actually leaked enough to let air into the system its still maintaining a positive pressure

Problem is much more likey to be an air leak around the master cylinder itself. is there any brake fouid apparent there?
No absolutely nothing which is what is confusing me!

black-k1

12,133 posts

235 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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julian64 said:
I don't think its likely to be the leaking reservoir.

The reservoir is usually significantly higher that the master cylinder, so unless the reserviour has actually leaked enough to let air into the system its still maintaining a positive pressure

Problem is much more likey to be an air leak around the master cylinder itself. is there any brake fouid apparent there?
Agreed, or, if no fluid leak then master cylinder seals would be where I would look next.

julian64

14,317 posts

260 months

Monday 16th October 2023
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black-k1 said:
julian64 said:
I don't think its likely to be the leaking reservoir.

The reservoir is usually significantly higher that the master cylinder, so unless the reserviour has actually leaked enough to let air into the system its still maintaining a positive pressure

Problem is much more likey to be an air leak around the master cylinder itself. is there any brake fouid apparent there?
Agreed, or, if no fluid leak then master cylinder seals would be where I would look next.
Spot on. If you can't see brake fluid coming out of the master cylinder or anywhere lower down, then the problem is that the inner pressure seal on the master piston, or the barrel at that point is likely goosed.

OutInTheShed

8,831 posts

32 months

Tuesday 17th October 2023
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It's vaguely plausible that the reservoir leak could let air into the system, there could be a little bit of suction there in the moment where you're releasing the brake.

Bike MC's don't always have the benefit of being the 'right way up' for air to escape.

It's the brakes. I take a firm view that the front brake must work as it should, no excuse to ride with any part of it dodgy.

Apart from that, stray brake fluid is awful stuff.