Whose fault?

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JuanCarlosFandango

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8,748 posts

82 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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https://news.sky.com/story/motorcyclist-who-lost-t...

Obviously he had done much else wrong but as far as I can see of the incident itself the car pulled straight across the front of him.

sixor8

6,818 posts

279 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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Totally his, lucky he wasn't seriously injured:

"He also pleaded guilty to driving without insurance and driving otherwise in accordance with a licence, police said.

Gordon initially denied riding the motorbike but he was charged after police secured dashcam footage and recorded statements from witnesses about his driving leading up to the crash..."

Onelastattempt

465 posts

58 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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Riding like a dhead, very lucky he didn't suffer more serious injury.

OutInTheShed

10,217 posts

37 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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Lying twunt with no insurance got off lightly.

How fast was he going?

It usually takes two to crash, doubt the car was blameless, but with no licence or insurance, you're so far in the wrong, it's academic.
Cars will turn right, drivers will estimate your speed badly if they even look far enough up the road to see a speeding bike.

Why did the bike burst into flames though?

carinaman

22,633 posts

183 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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I can't tell what KTM it is.

When I pause that video it greys out and shows the text.

JuanCarlosFandango

Original Poster:

8,748 posts

82 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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There's no doubt he's an idiot, but was he really at fault there? Looks like the car driver was more at fault to me.

HairyMaclary

3,737 posts

206 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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Looks like a Duke.

Ironic that the accident happened right next to a Gatso camera.

carinaman

22,633 posts

183 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
There's no doubt he's an idiot, but was he really at fault there? Looks like the car driver was more at fault to me.
So if it was me, insured with a full licence and without any evidence from others that I was riding like a knob it would've been my fault?

JuanCarlosFandango

Original Poster:

8,748 posts

82 months

Friday 6th October 2023
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carinaman said:
So if it was me, insured with a full licence and without any evidence from others that I was riding like a knob it would've been my fault?
That's my point. I don't think it would be.

Super Sonic

8,308 posts

65 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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Looks like the Audi turned right across the road when the MC was just 2-3 cars away.
Definitely the Audi at fault.

hiccy18

3,169 posts

78 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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It's a 30mph limit, he looked like he was doing considerably more.

carinaman

22,633 posts

183 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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HairyMaclary said:
Looks like a Duke.

Ironic that the accident happened right next to a Gatso camera.
Is it a Duke with a plastic tank? Would that help explain the fire? It seemed to ignite almost instanteously. Petrol on hot exhaust?

vonhosen

40,577 posts

228 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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JuanCarlosFandango said:
There's no doubt he's an idiot, but was he really at fault there? Looks like the car driver was more at fault to me.
It doesn't have to be one or other, liability can be split.

airsafari87

2,958 posts

193 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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While I have zero sympathy for the lad on the bike and he must hold a portion of the blame, I’d say that the largest burden of fault lies with the car driver in this case.

As for the bike catching fire. Given that he didn’t have a licence, insurance etc. It wouldn’t be a surprise to find that the bike wasn’t the best maintained bike and full of bodgy repairs.

LF5335

7,443 posts

54 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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I’m confused, but that’s not difficult.

The bike rider was a dick, multiple offences and driving like a dick so he’s bang to rights for them.

The crash was a mixture of both the driver shouldn’t have turned right, but his speed made the accident inevitable. If I’m turning right in a 30 and something I can’t see is coming at me so fast that when I do see it it’s on top of me then they’ve got a big part to play in the crash.

Hugo Stiglitz

38,717 posts

222 months

Saturday 7th October 2023
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"The 31-year-old, of HMP Peterborough"

laugh

KTMsm

28,261 posts

274 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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I couldn't really see enough to determine the bikes speed

It looked to me that the Audi should have seen him and waited


LF5335

7,443 posts

54 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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KTMsm said:
I couldn't really see enough to determine the bikes speed

It looked to me that the Audi should have seen him and waited
Here’s a photo of the crash just as it happened. Thoughts now? I’m sure we’ll get lots of “you can’t tell from a photo” so I’ll add another where the Audi starts to turn. Feel free to tell me where the bike is. The cars moving away from the Audi should tell you something too.




vonhosen

40,577 posts

228 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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KTMsm said:
I couldn't really see enough to determine the bikes speed

It looked to me that the Audi should have seen him and waited
Yet the KTM rider was the one who pleaded guilty to without due care, no mention of the Audi driver being prosecuted.

Pebbles167

3,947 posts

163 months

Sunday 8th October 2023
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OutInTheShed said:
Why did the bike burst into flames though?
carinaman said:
Is it a Duke with a plastic tank? Would that help explain the fire? It seemed to ignite almost instanteously. Petrol on hot exhaust?
Stupid rider, car a bit of a dozy tt sure, but approaching a junction quickly is never a good idea.

As for the fire, a ruptured fuel tank, metal or plastic or a torn line, mixed with sparks, a fire happens very easily.

Ask me how I know... hehe